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07-21-2011, 01:22 AM
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You have to think that by the trade deadline, Vancouver might salivate at the prospect of landing Gonchar and Neil.... depending on how their year pans out. They need some more sandpaper and after losing Erhoff to FA, they need a power play quarterback on defense.

I think we will have plenty of potential trade bait to land a first rounder or two next year by the trade deadline. Contenders always pay a premium for good players.

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07-21-2011, 08:36 AM
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You have to think that by the trade deadline, Vancouver might salivate at the prospect of landing Gonchar and Neil.... depending on how their year pans out. They need some more sandpaper and after losing Erhoff to FA, they need a power play quarterback on defense.

I think we will have plenty of potential trade bait to land a first rounder or two next year by the trade deadline. Contenders always pay a premium for good players.
I'm just gonna assume you're suggesting Gonchar will land us a first rounder, given that Neil is the other player you've listed.

There's no questioning Gonchar's career accomplishments: a borderline hall of fame career. But am I alone in thinking there's only the slightest chance his play this season will be worthy of a first rounder? The man has to have an unbelievable rebound season. If we do trade him, second or third is what I'd expect with his baggage.

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07-21-2011, 09:47 AM
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Alfie, EK, Spezza, and maybe Michalek are the only ones on the team that can get a 1st rounder. Other than that we've got nothing. In other words, we aren't getting another first this year.

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07-21-2011, 10:39 AM
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Alfie, EK, Spezza, and maybe Michalek are the only ones on the team that can get a 1st rounder. Other than that we've got nothing. In other words, we aren't getting another first this year.
Under Maclean who's a powerplay specialist,

If Gonchar can regain form and return a 1st round pick. His experience and powerplay abilities would garner interest if he can turn it around.

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The problem with Gonchar beside his play last season is that he has two years remaining on his contract. A lot of teams will shy away because of that. But if he rebounds next season he could get us a first rounder especially when you consider what the Leafs got for Kaberle.

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The problem with Gonchar beside his play last season is that he has two years remaining on his contract. A lot of teams will shy away because of that. But if he rebounds next season he could get us a first rounder especially when you consider what the Leafs got for Kaberle.
I think he is too old to get a 1st rounder, Kaberle is much younger & will play for a few more yrs at least. I would guess a 3rd at the most for him even if he does rebound. However, no one knows if Gonchar will play longer than his contract, I wouldn't be surprised if he retires after his contract is done rather than play any more but your never know. It might depend on who trades for him & whether they need an experienced defenceman in their lineup

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We definitely have a few players who could return seconds.

We can always do another trade like we did with Detroit this year.

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I think he is too old to get a 1st rounder, Kaberle is much younger & will play for a few more yrs at least. I would guess a 3rd at the most for him even if he does rebound. However, no one knows if Gonchar will play longer than his contract, I wouldn't be surprised if he retires after his contract is done rather than play any more but your never know. It might depend on who trades for him & whether they need an experienced defenceman in their lineup
Kaberle may be younger, but he was a rental. He is gone to Carolina. I do think it will be hard to move Gonchar because of his extra year, but let's be real here. On a decent team, he is going to play a lot better.

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I think he is too old to get a 1st rounder, Kaberle is much younger & will play for a few more yrs at least. I would guess a 3rd at the most for him even if he does rebound. However, no one knows if Gonchar will play longer than his contract, I wouldn't be surprised if he retires after his contract is done rather than play any more but your never know. It might depend on who trades for him & whether they need an experienced defenceman in their lineup
The buying teams at the trade deadline are looking for immediate help. So if Gonchar performs like he is able to i don´t think his age is an issue. The issue is his contract. The extra year and his big cap hit will scare some teams.

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Contending teams aren't interested in a 37 year old PP specialist with a 5.5m cap hit for 2 years.

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Contending teams aren't interested in a 37 year old PP specialist with a 5.5m cap hit for 2 years.
Contending teams with cap space may be interested in a 37 year old 40-50P veteran defenseman with a cup ring.

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Contending teams with cap space may be interested in a 37 year old 40-50P veteran defenseman with a cup ring.
Such as?

If this was Gonchar's last year of the deal, then maybe I could see it. But 5.5m can get you a hell of a player, who is also considerbly younger.

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Yeah look the Leafs picked up Bryan Leetch when he was 39?

It can happen. A team that thinks it is a contender is what we need.

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Yeah look the Leafs picked up Bryan Leetch when he was 39?

It can happen. A team that thinks it is a contender is what we need.
Which happened to be before the salary cap, and was not for an extra year, like in this case.

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Such as?
Detroit, Boston, L.A, Anaheim, Montreal, New York

Other teams like San Jose, Tampa Bay, Vancouver could fit in Gonchar if they move a contract our way

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The point of trading Gonchar is?

Melknyk said he needs to save more money?

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The point of trading Gonchar is?

Melnyk said he needs to save more money?
The point would be to get a nice draft pick/prospect... if that's not available, you're 100% correct that we might as well hang on to him.

Of course, this is all wild speculation, as the thread topic would lead one to presume. Gonchar could be dealt for a 1st rounder if the stars aligned correctly, in which case, we'd probably be stupid not to do it... he could also go for a 7th rounder if they didn't align correctly, in which case we'd probably be stupid to do it.

Let's just hope that we either make the playoffs or win the lottery.

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The point of trading Gonchar is?

Melknyk said he needs to save more money?
It's funny that I didn't even think of it. Trading Gonchar for picks would put us under the cap floor.

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Gonchar has a chance to bounce back, but he'll make a nice mentor for Rundblad, and probably help Filatov adjust as well

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The point of trading Gonchar is?

Melknyk said he needs to save more money?
To get a 1st/2nd/solid prospect in return

He is 37 and this team is rebuilding. He does not have a future as an Ottawa Senator.

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Gonchar has a chance to bounce back, but he'll make a nice mentor for Rundblad, and probably help Filatov adjust as well
I agree on the Filatov portion. Having someone who speaks your language fluently surely helps you adjusts. Similar to Karlsson and Alfie.

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Half the team last year was injured or underperforming this year, too. I don't see that happening again.
Possibly, but most posters said the exact same thing before the start of this past season. And we still ended up in the lottery...

We are a bottom 10 team as of now...

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It's funny that I didn't even think of it. Trading Gonchar for picks would put us under the cap floor.
That's what I was gonna say too which also brings up the point that we can't move anyone at the trade deadline unless we get a salary dump and a good pic in return for a player and probably a pic

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The point would be to get a nice draft pick/prospect... if that's not available, you're 100% correct that we might as well hang on to him.

Of course, this is all wild speculation, as the thread topic would lead one to presume. Gonchar could be dealt for a 1st rounder if the stars aligned correctly, in which case, we'd probably be stupid not to do it... he could also go for a 7th rounder if they didn't align correctly, in which case we'd probably be stupid to do it.

Let's just hope that we either make the playoffs or win the lottery.
Yes, that's what I think. If we can't get at least a late 1st I rather hang on to Gonchar for experience, mentoring the young D-men and maybe help Filatov to become a real NHLer. Gonchar is 37 but he is a force of nature. Even if he is not in his prime, he is still a quality player and could easily bounce back this year now that Clouston, Kuba (hopefully soon unless he bounces back too) and Elliott aren't there to make everyone look bad.

I know people don't like Russians (they're not my favorite players as well) and they kinda get "smooth" at a certain age but guys like Kovalev, Gonchar, Kostitsyn are ripped. A lot of physical strenght. Too bad it isn't really apparent in their playing style.

Personnally, I'm not really into tanking (mostly because I trust Murray and his staff to pick future key players wherever they choose; see Cowen, Karlsson, Lehner, Rundblad, Puempel...), so I'd rather see the young Sens make the playoffs and gain some experience or at least get very close to it. IMO, this team has already nice pieces in place (and some others coming up) to contend in not so long. Just need time and experience under the right circumstances to grow strong

Winning is the best environnement for young players. Screw tanking, it's for losers like the Panthers, Isles, Oilers, Leafs...

Detroit or New Jersey ever tanked? New Jersey got lucky last year, they wouldn't have dradfted before us if Lemaire was their coach all season. With him, they were a playoffs team.


Finally, my hopeful line-up in 2-3 years (post Alfredsson, Michalek, Phillips, Neil)

Filatov-Spezza-Petersson/Puempel
Silfverberg-Zibanejad-Noesen/Puempel
Foligno-Hoffman/Regin/Da Costa-Butler
Greening-Grant/Smith-Condra
O'Brien

Cowen-Karlsson
Wiercioch-Rundblad
Gryba-Borowiecki
Blood

Lehner
Anderson


The potential is there already.

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To get a 1st/2nd/solid prospect in return

He is 37 and this team is rebuilding. He does not have a future as an Ottawa Senator.
But he is a luxury stop gap while young D-men develop. We need Phillips and Gonchar. Can't have only guys under 24 y/o on the blue-line. Experience IS valuable.

If we can get another 1st for next draft, I'd do it but that's maybe the only possibility why I'd trade him. A 2nd or a prospect wouldn't convince me (we have tons of prospects) at this deadline. Next year yes, if we are not in the playoffs picture but I think we will.

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To the Gonchar discussion, if he does bounce back this season I think he can net a 1st round pick, Gonchar still has the talent to be a top 10-20 offensive defenseman in the league, teams will want that for the playoffs.

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