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07-21-2011, 11:40 PM
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Id rather keep both and do a Morrisonn and a pick type deal or kotalik and a top prospect ..but not two roster players, also value is there
Of course you'd rather do that for Bailey cause no team is taking on Kotalik or Morrisson without a salary dump.

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07-21-2011, 11:45 PM
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We don't need to shed cap. We're fine. ... So what you're basically saying is ..... We give Sekara up in a salary dump ... Doesn't make sense for a team trying to win NOW ... I wouldn't do it.
Really? So you're content having zero wiggle room what so ever? Sekera isn't the salary dump in this deal genius, it's basically Sekera for Bailey and Hecht is thrown in to get rid of his ridiculous salary. Talent wise, I like what Bailey can do for us and the potential to do even more, than what Hecht is giving us and at his age, Jochen isn't going to be producing any more than he has been the past few years. We're stacked on the blueline, and MAG will fill in @ the 6 defense spot with Weber, and we have many guys in Rochester fighting for the 7/8 spots. This deal makes perfect sense, in with the team trying to win NOW.

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I'm a fan of Bailey and would like him as buffalo's third line center. The islanders seem to find a way to take good prospects and ruin the player and their confidence until they trade the player and they turn out to be very good players.

If this went through MAG would be on the third d pairing and I think they would need a seventh d man.

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07-21-2011, 11:58 PM
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The main piece is Sekera not Hecht you fools. This is a pretty solid deal for the Isles. they get back a center, they fill their need for defense (albeit one who is a bit under the radar) and Sabres get to gamble on Bailey who has flashed brilliance but seems to be getting lost in the shuffle.
Thats what I said.

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07-22-2011, 12:08 AM
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Well then I'm for it!
Yeah this trade proposal is actually shockingly pretty close and could see both sides agreeing.

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07-22-2011, 05:41 AM
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Yeah this trade proposal is actually shockingly pretty close and could see both sides agreeing.
Which is why this thread is going to die. People don't want to see good proposals on these forums, they want to see terrible ones so they can tell the person making them they suck, and they should kill themselves.

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07-22-2011, 06:06 AM
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You don't pay Sekera a big signing bonus just to trade him after that.

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07-22-2011, 06:11 AM
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Islanders make out like bandits here
Until Bailey is Tim Connolly without the concussion history.... like as soon as next season.

The value of this deal seems fair. I think Buffalo wins it over the long run, because they need to drop some salary now and would be getting a kid who is going to be 50-70 point guy as soon as next season.

Snow should be interested in Sekera though.

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07-22-2011, 06:12 AM
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I'm a fan of Bailey and would like him as buffalo's third line center. The islanders seem to find a way to take good prospects and ruin the player and their confidence until they trade the player and they turn out to be very good players.

If this went through MAG would be on the third d pairing and I think they would need a seventh d man.
with Hecht and Sekera's contracts off the books there will be more then enough room to keep Morrison, who I think would be a better option as a seventh d-man then any of the Rochester kids. Morrison being a stay at home guy gives the Sabres some flexibility, as to whether they want a more offensive style or defensive style.

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07-22-2011, 06:40 AM
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I'd do it simply to shred all that cap, plus if i'm not mistaken, the Islanders need to take on some cap for the year to reach the cap floor. The talent is there on both sides to make it a good trade.
Yeah? And use it on who?

Two contributing roster players for a guy who has seen his value drop or maintain since he was drafted doesn't sound too intriguing for a team in win-now mode.

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07-22-2011, 08:30 AM
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Yeah? And use it on who?

Two contributing roster players for a guy who has seen his value drop or maintain since he was drafted doesn't sound too intriguing for a team in win-now mode.
We need to shed some money to get under the cap. Right now we are over by about 3 mill and still need to sign Gragnani and have some room for call ups/bonuses.

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07-22-2011, 08:49 AM
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We need to shed some money to get under the cap. Right now we are over by about 3 mill and still need to sign Gragnani and have some room for call ups/bonuses.
Dumping Morrissonn and Kotalik sheds over 5mil...Gragnani won't get over 1mil to resign even if its a multi-year contract which will leave Buffalo with over 1mil in cap space to use on call-ups etc; so they will be fine.

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07-22-2011, 09:03 AM
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You don't pay Sekera a big signing bonus just to trade him after that.
Totally agree. That's what gets lost in this whole deal. It's demoralizing for the player and his teammates. A team like Philly or San Jose, who just can't get over the top and have a lot of veteran leadership can do this. Buffalo is different they're a high-quality team, but also a young team. (That's not a dig.) I think you try to avoid trading an ex-RFA you just signed to an extension in that situation.

For NYI's point of view, the Sekera ship has sailed. If the Sabres and Islanders have anything to talk about it'd be about Pominville. If the Sabres don't want to deal him, we don't have much to talk about.

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07-22-2011, 09:27 AM
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We're shedding cap space for what, exactly?

Kotalik and Morrisonn are not going to hit the Sabres' cap. The team doesn't have to give up good assets to PAY to get under the cap. Stop that.

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Dumping Morrissonn and Kotalik sheds over 5mil...Gragnani won't get over 1mil to resign even if its a multi-year contract which will leave Buffalo with over 1mil in cap space to use on call-ups etc; so they will be fine.
Ya I know but if they made this trade they would even have more money to play with. Maybe a true #1 center? I can dream can't I.

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07-22-2011, 09:51 AM
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Ya I know but if they made this trade they would even have more money to play with. Maybe a true #1 center? I can dream can't I.
Sure, and that would make sense, but there's nothing out there right now that we know of. The only way this trade makes sense for the Sabres at this moment is if it's a supporting move for something else coming right after. Clearing cap space for the sake of clearing cap space and even paying for it with quality assets is just incompetent management.

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07-22-2011, 10:21 AM
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Sure, and that would make sense, but there's nothing out there right now that we know of. The only way this trade makes sense for the Sabres at this moment is if it's a supporting move for something else coming right after. Clearing cap space for the sake of clearing cap space and even paying for it with quality assets is just incompetent management.
This would make sense if you were getting back mid round picks and cheap crap. Bailey has real upside.

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07-22-2011, 10:32 AM
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Sure, and that would make sense, but there's nothing out there right now that we know of. The only way this trade makes sense for the Sabres at this moment is if it's a supporting move for something else coming right after. Clearing cap space for the sake of clearing cap space and even paying for it with quality assets is just incompetent management.
I don't think they have any intention of leaving tons of cap space.

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