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07-21-2011, 04:13 PM
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What would have happened if...

...either the Mighty Ducks of Anaheim or the Florida Panthers had taken Dominik Hasek in the 1993 Expansion Draft. How drastically would that have changed their franchise's histories? Imagine a Mighty Ducks team with a core of Kariya, Selanne, and Hasek. Or, with Hasek, would the Panthers have won the 1996 Stanley Cup?

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Well, the Panthers'd be a laughing stock for picking him over Vansbiesbrouck, so he might not have played as well as he did.

As for the cup, I don't know what you're smoking if you think that the Panthers' problem was goaltending.

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Well, the Panthers'd be a laughing stock for picking him over Vansbiesbrouck, so he might not have played as well as he did.

As for the cup, I don't know what you're smoking if you think that the Panthers' problem was goaltending.
I didn't think that, I'm saying that he may have put them over the edge. Vanbiesbrouck was great during that playoff run, but could Hasek have actually won it all for them?

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I know Hasek wasn't yet an elite goalie in 1993, but I never knew he was available in the expansion draft. If Hasek was picked by either team, he probably would have been dealt minutes later for some established players and draft picks.

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I know Hasek wasn't yet an elite goalie in 1993, but I never knew he was available in the expansion draft. If Hasek was picked by either team, he probably would have been dealt minutes later for some established players and draft picks.
I'm actually amazed no one took him. He was on the all-rookie team two years prior.

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I didn't think that, I'm saying that he may have put them over the edge. Vanbiesbrouck was great during that playoff run, but could Hasek have actually won it all for them?
I doubt Hasek would have. He maybe extends the series by one or two games. The Panthers didn't have the goal scorers like Colorado did, not to mention Roy was on a mission that year. Colorado was simply loaded in 1996.

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I doubt Hasek would have. He maybe extends the series by one or two games. The Panthers didn't have the goal scorers like Colorado did, not to mention Roy was on a mission that year. Colorado was simply loaded in 1996.
Seriousuly. Vanbiesbrouck was amazing in the 1996 playoffs. I really don't think Hasek could have been all that much better, certainly not better enough to turn getting swept into a victory. Especially since he'd have to severely outplay Patrick Roy for his team to have a shot.

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Seriousuly. Vanbiesbrouck was amazing in the 1996 playoffs. I really don't think Hasek could have been all that much better, certainly not better enough to turn getting swept into a victory. Especially since he'd have to severely outplay Patrick Roy for his team to have a shot.
So what about if the Ducks took him?

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So what about if the Ducks took him?
If they took Hasek and still had Selanne and Kariya, I can't help but think they'd be a regular playoff team that occasionally made the conference finals. Basically a step up from what they were - a team that usually fought for the playoffs, but more often than not missed. I still don't think they'd have the defense or depth to win the Cup

Oh and don't get me wrong, Hasek > Vanbiesbrouck long term. Hell, Florida probably would have been a perennial low playoff seed (like Buffalo was), rather than a team that usually missed it in the mid-late 90s. But I don't think he could have been much better than Vanbiesbrouck was in the short time span of the 1996 playoffs.

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If they took Hasek and still had Selanne and Kariya, I can't help but think they'd be a regular playoff team that occasionally made the conference finals. Basically a step up from what they were - a team that usually fought for the playoffs, but more often than not missed. I still don't think they'd have the defense or depth to win the Cup.
I have to agree on that. Selanne, Kariya, and Hasek would carry that club. They would probably be like a perennial 4-5 seed, and a playoff contender. That defense, at least in 95-96, was truly terrible though. That would be the team's demise.

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Seriousuly. Vanbiesbrouck was amazing in the 1996 playoffs. I really don't think Hasek could have been all that much better, certainly not better enough to turn getting swept into a victory. Especially since he'd have to severely outplay Patrick Roy for his team to have a shot.
To add to your point, 95-96 was one of Hasek's worst years during his otherworldly stretch of the mid-nineties until early 00s.

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As for the cup, I don't know what you're smoking if you think that the Panthers' problem was goaltending.
... Yeah, I'd have to say that from 93-94 to 95-96, those three seasons (or two and a shortened season) that Vanbiesbrouck was the second-best goalie in the NHL - better than everyone else but Hasek.

And Guy Hebert, who the Ducks picked, was excellent as well. He was probably fourth best in the NHL during that three season span, behind Hasek, Beezer, and Roy.

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Another thing to consider is that Buffalo gave Hasek an environment where he could be successful, kind of like Boston for Tim Thomas right now. If you take that version of Hasek and drop him into Anaheim's roster, I'm not sure we're talking about him as an all-time great goalie anymore.

Florida, though, played some pretty good D back then and he might well have been a difference-maker in the direction of that franchise.

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Hard to say, don't know how Hasek would have reacted to playing on an expansion team. I think though he could have made both teams consistent playoff teams but because of other holes on their rosters I don't think they would have won the Cup.

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... Yeah, I'd have to say that from 93-94 to 95-96, those three seasons (or two and a shortened season) that Vanbiesbrouck was the second-best goalie in the NHL - better than everyone else but Hasek.

And Guy Hebert, who the Ducks picked, was excellent as well. He was probably fourth best in the NHL during that three season span, behind Hasek, Beezer, and Roy.
Nope.

http://www.hockey-reference.com/leagues/NHL_1994.html

http://www.hockey-reference.com/leagues/NHL_1995.html

http://www.hockey-reference.com/leagues/NHL_1996.html

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If Hasek wound up with the Ducks, I'd be posting his photo in the "What are you doing in that uniform?" thread here.

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... I don't know how showing me the league standings somehow disproves my point? But hey, have a good time.

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Nope.
Care to elaborate? Hebert was fantastic over that time period (and I never felt that the Vezina voters did him justice).

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