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07-23-2011, 12:07 PM
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I think he could put up atleast 35 points this year if he plays on the 3rd line consistently. He doesn't provide much else, however. If we could get a 2nd for him I'd probably do it.

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07-23-2011, 12:09 PM
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I'm a big fan of Zucc and his passing ability. Building on that, I think he can be a clutch fit in some situations; he just needs some time to grow.

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07-23-2011, 12:21 PM
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Yea, those short players like Gionta and St. Louis are god awful, I'm not sure why they still try to stick around the league.
Yea they showed they can hang and God bless them for it.. Zuc needs to show it and be able to hang.. i said he will never score 20 hope i am wrong just not a fan

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07-23-2011, 12:26 PM
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We won't. Zuccarello helped bring many valuable Norwegian fans. I like Norwegian people, they're cool. Zucca stays.
Definitely. Who cares if we win or lose as long as we have a few thousand Norwegian fans?

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07-23-2011, 12:42 PM
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Yea they showed they can hang and God bless them for it.. Zuc needs to show it and be able to hang.. i said he will never score 20 hope i am wrong just not a fan
Well, I think it is a little unfair to use goals as a measuring stick for Zuccs, considering he is more of the playmaking type.

The guy came in from Europe, had to adjust to the smaller ice surface/different game, and was able to showcase his playmaking abilities pretty well.

Not saying he will be a St. Louis/Gionta, but he's shown more then you are giving him credit for.

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Yea, those short players like Gionta and St. Louis are god awful, I'm not sure why they still try to stick around the league.
Ah yes, the ol' St Louis argument ... any time anyone criticizes a player's size then everyone points to one of the few exceptions in the league. One of the most talented players in the world hands down.

If you are that small and weak, then you better be an easy top-6 player. I see a lot more Prucha/Dawes in his game then St Louis/Gionta....

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07-23-2011, 01:06 PM
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I don't see how Zucc won't be on the roster. I don't see why if he doesn't perform in camp, someone will get waived or cut from the roster, most likely EC, to give him a spot on the team.

He also wouldn't have to play every game. He could sit a couple games with the depth the team has in the bottom 6. I could see something like this:

Dubinsky-Richards-Gaborik
Zuccarello-Anisimov-Callahan
Wolski-Stepan-Feds
Rupp/Avery-Boyle-Prust

Zuccarello can then swap with Wolski if one is performing better or if one is slumping. LW is very flexible on the team with Dubi being able to play with the 2nd line or top line as well. Bottom 6 has a lot of flexibility with Rupp being able to play center as well. Could move Stepan to 2nd line winger as well for a couple games.

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07-23-2011, 01:10 PM
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Ah yes, the ol' St Louis argument ... any time anyone criticizes a player's size then everyone points to one of the few exceptions in the league. One of the most talented players in the world hands down.

If you are that small and weak, then you better be an easy top-6 player. I see a lot more Prucha/Dawes in his game then St Louis/Gionta....
The point was obviously that small players can be game changers.

As for everybody who wants to trade him... He's 23, first year on american rinks, first year in the NHL, and put up 23 points in half of a season. Why can't he end up as a top-6 player, and even more so, why should we give up on him this quick?

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difference between Gionta/St. Louis and Zuccarello are 2 huge things. Speed and tenacity. Both of those guys are tenacious forecheckers with borderline elite speed. MZA...hes got average speed at best, and isn't a particularly good forechecker as he is so easily moved off the puck. He doenst have that escapability those other 2 guys have. if he can increase his speed significantly, then he most definitely has the talent that those other 2 mighty mouses do.

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Purely baseless speculation.

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07-23-2011, 01:35 PM
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The reason he comes up in trade rumors is because other teams are interested. They see the talent. Even Avery would be gone before him. I don't buy into Torts giving a crap about the Gabby friendship.

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If underhill does to zucc what she did to boyle then he can easily be a 15-20 goal scorer. the kid has the raw talent. no reason to sell low.
This and a half, anyone with The Magic Barb makes this team in my eyes.

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07-23-2011, 02:44 PM
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With Prospal officially gone, we can't deal away all our depth. Depth is the reason the team was able to play well all year long despite the injuries.

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If he was drafted by the Rangers and had made his organizational debut last season, he'd be the next coming of Marty St. Louis. However, since he isn't home grown, he's "nothing special."

If he improves his skating enough working with Barb Underhill, he has all of the tools to be a quality 2nd line winger in this league. Foolish to write him off after half a season.

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Exactly. People are so quick to write in Hagelin into the lineup because he's homegrown. I'm a big fan of Hagelin but I think Zucarello's upside is higher.

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This tread makes my heart melting.
It is good to read,that not everybody has given up on him just yet.

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07-23-2011, 04:08 PM
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Development takes time. Vinny Prospal spent 4 yrs in the minors before becoming the player he was. MZA shouldn't be given up on and I really don't see any reason the Rangers would.

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07-23-2011, 05:03 PM
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If he was drafted by the Rangers and had made his organizational debut last season, he'd be the next coming of Marty St. Louis. However, since he isn't home grown, he's "nothing special."

If he improves his skating enough working with Barb Underhill, he has all of the tools to be a quality 2nd line winger in this league. Foolish to write him off after half a season.
How about this one? Does someone have to be bias to not see a certain prospect succeeding? He's not homegrown? Who cares... The point is that a player that small needs to have top talent along with speed. I may be wrong, and I hope I am. To me a guy who is so weak on the puck and doesn't have that speed just isn't going to do it. His play along the boards is very poor as well. Now if he can increase his speed and strength, then maybe he will work out, but I have my doubts. I'm not saying dump the kid for nothing, but I just don't see a guy like this being on an NHL roster during playoff hockey.

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Oh, the Rangers' most expendable forwards are on the trade block? Really? Thanks for that analysis.

Wolski, Christensen and Avery are all expendable. So is Zucc and even some others. That's not rocket science. What's funny though is that Zucc is automatically a question mark this season because of our glut at forwards. He has every chance to make this team if not more-so than Avery, Christensen, Wolski and the like because he played 42 games last year and scored 23 points. That's a 45 point pace for a full season. How many points did Stepan score this year? 45. He's a team fanboy.

Some fans make no sense sometimes. Is it because Zucc came out of left field instead of boiling first in our system? Is it because he's short? Sure. But you don't cut off his chances after he produced.

I'm not even a Zucc fan and I see no reason why we don't give him another opportunity.

You wanna cut someone? Cut Christensen or Avery. Scratch that, cut both. They're not exactly young and promising anymore, in fact they're quite the farthest from it. Journeyman Christensen has a reputation of an uncaring attitude and has huge consistency issues. He's not even worth it as a spare forward and Avery has been neutered by the league for a while now and serves as a detriment. While we're up against the cap with a glut of forwards, I cut these two guys any day over Wolski and Zucc who have or had potential and/or can hit strong point totals.

It's not like Avery or Christensen bring anything more to the table outside of point producing (which they barely do), at least Zucc and Wolski can (and have) scored points even though they don't help out in many other ways.

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If underhill does to zucc what she did to boyle then he can easily be a 15-20 goal scorer. the kid has the raw talent. no reason to sell low.
Shes goin to make him taller or stronger in his skates? His shortcomings arent skating related.

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Shes goin to make him taller or stronger in his skates? His shortcomings arent skating related.
Eh, I think his skating somewhat affects his game. Unlike the other successful diminutive players in this league, he isn't very quick at all. Is he a terrible skater? No, but I do think it would serve him well to shore up in that department.

Now, I don't think it's his biggest issue, either, but I do think if he improves his skating, it would increase the probabilities of him sticking at this level.

Having said that, I don''t think it'll make or break his NHL career.

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Shes goin to make him taller or stronger in his skates? His shortcomings arent skating related.
Eh, I think if he were faster, it would help his game out quite a bit.

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i hope MZA stays with us. would love to see what he can do in a full season

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How about this one? Does someone have to be bias to not see a certain prospect succeeding? He's not homegrown? Who cares... The point is that a player that small needs to have top talent along with speed. I may be wrong, and I hope I am. To me a guy who is so weak on the puck and doesn't have that speed just isn't going to do it. His play along the boards is very poor as well. Now if he can increase his speed and strength, then maybe he will work out, but I have my doubts. I'm not saying dump the kid for nothing, but I just don't see a guy like this being on an NHL roster during playoff hockey.
You(and others) are drawing permanent conclusions on him based on half a season in the NHL..what's next, should we trade Stepan because he only put up 42 points in his rookie year? Development doesn't happen instantly - it takes time. And guess what - the reason they call it player development is that skills grow over time. I've made this point before, but you really have to be patient with young players to see what they will grow into. And for heaven's sake can we stop drawing permanent conclusions of players based on half a season cause that's ridiculous.

The reality is he was on pace for a 44 point rookie season which is no joke. And nobody here can say they know how his skills will grow as he develops. Maybe he gets stronger? Faster? Develops a better shot? Becomes really good defensively? Can any of us really say? Did we really think Cally would be close to 30-30 2 years ago? Did any of us know who Henrik was when we drafted him? The examples keep going and going. Do you really want to write off a kid who could be our next top 6 forward because he's short? To me that's really dumb. We need all the scoring talent we can find and this kid has a bunch of talent.


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