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07-21-2011, 02:08 PM
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I'd say it's bee an tie between the Janssen deal and the Kassian deal. Neither one seemed to sit well with many people.
Well considering the Kassian trade contributed to a Memorial Cup, I think that most fans would do that trade over again.

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07-21-2011, 02:23 PM
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See, that's debatable. I'm in the group that liked the deal, though I hated giving up Watson. I know people, though, that didn't like the deal and, to this day, would rather have Watson. Given initial reactions, the deal was right up there with the Janssen deal in terms of negative feedback.

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Windsor may have won without that Kassian trade. Similar to London in 2005 going out and getting Dennis. GMs dont want to be left just short of goal when they are heavily favoured and tend to overfill roster to make sure (as sure as you can be)

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LOL I guess the mods thought there where 'aggressive' posts.

When I looked at them they came off as a little more then friendly chatter, but thats me.
Sooner or later somebody comes along who doesn't realize that it's "friendly chatter", though, and then I have a bigger mess to clean up. Plus, I don't want to have to open a Part 3 of this thread before the season starts.

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Sooner or later somebody comes along who doesn't realize that it's "friendly chatter", though, and then I have a bigger mess to clean up. Plus, I don't want to have to open a Part 3 of this thread before the season starts.
Ha!

I first looked at it and thought it was not friendly, which is why i said something, so good point.

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07-21-2011, 03:56 PM
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LOL I wouldn't bet against a third thread. It's only July

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Sooner or later somebody comes along who doesn't realize that it's "friendly chatter", though, and then I have a bigger mess to clean up. Plus, I don't want to have to open a Part 3 of this thread before the season starts.
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Yeah...we haven't had training camp yet!

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Ha!

I first looked at it and thought it was not friendly, which is why i said something, so good point.
I didn't either...found it mildly annoying.

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Well considering the Kassian trade contributed to a Memorial Cup, I think that most fans would do that trade over again.
I still don't think it was necessary. Watson was just rounding his game out in Windsor at the time of the trade he had 34 points in 42 games when players were gone at World Juniors he stepped up his game 3g 8a in 8 games. He was a valuable guy on PK's, winning faceoffs and did whatever the coaches asked. To look further into this trade since Boughner and Rychel took over guys when they are 17 years old Watson was ahead of the curve compared to Henrique, Shugg, probably along the lines of Nemisz maybe a bit more refined since his skating is a bit better. Considering what those guys achieved in their career it would have been ridiculous to trade those guys for a Kassian.

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http://hfboards.com/archive/index.php/t-42499.html

This archived thread is a fun read about the Cam Janssen trade. At the time the deal sucked a lot, simply because our teams were always terrible and Cam was one of the few bright spots. We got Garlock, and while he never developed into a super scoring star he was a better forward than most of the other guys we had. I lived with the deal by being glad for Cam having a chance at a cup, he did deserve a shot and wasn't getting it here.

When I first heard about the Kassian trade I was at the arena for a sunday game. I was absolutely stoked about adding Kassian, at the time it was almost too good to be true. Of course I respected the mind boggling cost, and I accepted it. 2 second rounders, who cares. It was Watson that hurt. He really is a fantastic player and I liked everything about his game, but he couldn't do the things Kassian did making the deal worth it. We had other guys on that team who could do what Watson did, but none like Kassian. He didn't really prove his value until they got to the Memorial cup, but he was absolutely worth it. That is some brutal rough hockey played in that tournament, and Kassian made sure we owned a lot of ice and kept teams from getting out of hand. I'll defend that deal to the death, no matter how season 2 of the Kassian experiment played out.

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07-22-2011, 10:18 AM
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http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=569860

Excellent article on Campbell by NHL.com

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=569489

Ellis too.

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Yep the conversation was more than mildly annoying .

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Yep the conversation was more than mildly annoying .
The conversation wasn't, but you were. Go bait another thread buddy, or better yet why don't you go run laps around a car parked in a handicapped spot for your entertainment.

That's it, I've always avoided the Sault but now its on my hit list. I'm hitting the road to see the Spits play in Greyhound territory just so I can savor the hushed tones of a disappointed and deluded fan base. Should be good.

Time for some nostalgia kids to keep this from getting stupid. As you know, its common practice for the Spitfires to employ a whipping boy. Its usually some lanky sad sack defenceman who coughs up the puck and looks stupid doing it, but sometimes a goalie or even forward takes the role. Who is the Spitfires all time whipping boy, who should get his sweater retired simply for the abuse he took? My pick would be the legendary Paul Giallonardo. I can't think of anybody who even comes close to this, and he played 4 abuse filled years! In all fairness, he probably deserved it but he took it like a champ. Who's your pick?


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07-23-2011, 04:38 PM
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It's too early to pick a whipping boy this year, although Jack Campbell was the clear winner last season.

Anyone else go to the season ticket seat swap today? Lots of available season seats this year, which makes me think that the waiting list that got started last year will thin out rather quickly.

Wasn't much around my section (103), although it was nice to hear many e-mails have been sent to the Spits regarding the drunken elderly man who shouts out racist, hate-filled and homophobic slurs during games.

I'm starting to think the supply will outweigh the demand (season ticket wise) this season

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07-23-2011, 06:25 PM
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It'll be interesting to see how many bandwagon fans there truly were.

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Im not counting out the Spitfires.
Just compiling all the possible line ups for each team, (the additions and subtractions) and the loss of Ellis and Kassian will surely be felt, BUT if Ebbett grabs the role of top Dman, Jack Campbell makes the saves he should be making, Tom Kuhnackl returns and Koko builds on his rookie season, well, things could still look very bright.
Its going to be a great year in the OHL--so many teams have closed the gaps, and a few will face reality checks.
Personally, I am chomping at the bit to see how the next batch of imports will fare.
Its going to be great!

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07-23-2011, 10:45 PM
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It'll be interesting to see how many bandwagon fans there truly were.
I didn't renew season tickets, personal decision didn't see the investment being worth it quite frankly both financial and time wise. I am not necessarily sure it's fair to label people as bandwagon if they choose not to renew. Whether it is early bird or not the price is just ridiculously high.

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07-23-2011, 11:52 PM
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Bandwagon has nothing to do with owning seasons tickets or not. I didn't own em last year, but I went to about 1/4 of their home games regular season and playoffs, watching the rest on tv. I'll probably do the same this year. Sometimes I get seasons tickets, sometimes I don't depending on whether I have the disposable income at the right time of year. You can hardly blame people during tough economic times if they don't buy as many hockey tickets when the team is in a rebuild.

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It's too early to pick a whipping boy this year, although Jack Campbell was the clear winner last season.

Anyone else go to the season ticket seat swap today? Lots of available season seats this year, which makes me think that the waiting list that got started last year will thin out rather quickly.

Wasn't much around my section (103), although it was nice to hear many e-mails have been sent to the Spits regarding the drunken elderly man who shouts out racist, hate-filled and homophobic slurs during games.

I'm starting to think the supply will outweigh the demand (season ticket wise) this season
My seats are in 109, and there's one of those guys in my section too. You an just imagine the stuff that came out of his mouth when Devante Smith-Pelly took the ice. Not cool.

I've got no problem with heckling if it's done in good taste, but leave the hate-filled rants out. Heckle the player's hockey ability, don't make it personal.

At any rate, I kept my seats and didn't bother showing up to the 'Exchange' today, although now I wish I would have. How far under the 5100 cap do you think the STH base will drop?

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Bandwagon has nothing to do with owning seasons tickets or not. I didn't own em last year, but I went to about 1/4 of their home games regular season and playoffs, watching the rest on tv. I'll probably do the same this year. Sometimes I get seasons tickets, sometimes I don't depending on whether I have the disposable income at the right time of year. You can hardly blame people during tough economic times if they don't buy as many hockey tickets when the team is in a rebuild.
I think he is referring to season ticket holders since they make up 5300 of the 6500. You're correct as well with your reasoning on whether to purchase season tickets. I know 7 others not renewing it isn't a lot but in one year when people just decide not to renew it's an eye opener. You have to consider as well in 2012 when their home games are televised in HD is it really worth it going to games?

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I think he is referring to season ticket holders since they make up 5300 of the 6500. You're correct as well with your reasoning on whether to purchase season tickets. I know 7 others not renewing it isn't a lot but in one year when people just decide not to renew it's an eye opener. You have to consider as well in 2012 when their home games are televised in HD is it really worth it going to games?
i can get 15 tiger tickets for the rest of the season for just over 200 american....with a free night at a detroit casino
it ll be painfull but the spitfires are more expensive than the toronto marlies....the ownership has done well ....but quite frankly people are going to be spoiled ....the next two years im expecting alot of freebies ,season tickets wil never happen for me again
junior hockey is good hockey but in reality half the players on the ice in any given game cant make a AHL roster
i paid for the season and playoffs the past 3 years .....thanks bobby and warren but
you priced yourself outta my range ...

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I think he is referring to season ticket holders since they make up 5300 of the 6500. You're correct as well with your reasoning on whether to purchase season tickets. I know 7 others not renewing it isn't a lot but in one year when people just decide not to renew it's an eye opener. You have to consider as well in 2012 when their home games are televised in HD is it really worth it going to games?
Its always worth going to the games, the HD isn't going to affect me much. There's a lot of pains about going to the games, from the parking lot hike in sub zero winds to the overpriced beer and god awful french fries, however its still the best way to see the team play. I know a lot of times when I go to games I'll have certain players I want to keep an eye on, like top guys from the opposition or rookies on the spits who I want to see developing. Thats a lot tougher to do on TV.

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If seasons tickets holder numbers drop significantly, there were some bandwagon fans in there. Certainly, not everyone is a bandwagon fan and Razor knows I know that. There are many circumstances that'll have someone not renew. However, there will always be people that say "I'll go when they're winning", and that's the number I'm curious about.

Regarding TV versus in person - it's no contest.

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i can get 15 tiger tickets for the rest of the season for just over 200 american....with a free night at a detroit casino
it ll be painfull but the spitfires are more expensive than the toronto marlies....the ownership has done well ....but quite frankly people are going to be spoiled ....the next two years im expecting alot of freebies ,season tickets wil never happen for me again
junior hockey is good hockey but in reality half the players on the ice in any given game cant make a AHL roster
i paid for the season and playoffs the past 3 years .....thanks bobby and warren but
you priced yourself outta my range ...

That makes sense. If you're really good with your money you can go to 4 games in Plymouth, 3 in Sarnia and the tickets would only cost $70 total. Just for an adult wanting to get season tickets costs over $800 dollars which is ridiculous

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I am another one who is not/cannot afford to renew this season.

This is the one area where this ownership group has done a poor job from the PR side IMO.

A city going through tough times that has stood by this team while the team has raised prices to a ridiculous level. The product has been exceptional but the prices far exceed the level of the product.

This group has received a sweetheart deal from a city that made major mistakes in the building of this arena (location wise) to accomadate someone(s)'s personal agendas. The location, while great for the folks out in Tecumseh is the main reason why the arena itself is a drain on taxpayers. This is a city whose entertainment choices have always been focused downtown and anytime people have looked to move them elsewhere they have failed. Why would the city expect this to turn out any different?

This organization is without a doubt one of the most profitable in juniour hockey the last few seasons but quite honestly the nerve of this group to come out a little while ago and suggest they needed tax breaks when this city going through tough times has supported them 100% was very insulting to quite a large % of the citizens of Windsor.

Down the road, when times permit it I have no problem buying season tickets again but this is the one area where the ownership does need to do a better job in how they present themselves because when things like tax breaks are being requested and they are extremely successful from a financial standpoint this is the one area where the only game in town or not they will turn off the people of this city and region and they will lose fans that will not return.

Having followed the team since the days before they returned to the league and having been fortunate enough to have watched the team up close for nothing and with a behind the the scenes perspective as well I know that this ownership group has received some bigtime support that other owners in the past would never have received. Good for them but hopefully they realize this before they turn off the paying public who are the reason for their financial success.

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