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HFStars 2011 Top-20 Prospects: [#12]

View Poll Results: Who is the Stars' #12 prospect?
Bergin 0 0%
Coyle 0 0%
Dillon 18 48.65%
Fraser 0 0%
Guptill 0 0%
Jokipakka 1 2.70%
Labrie 0 0%
McKenzie 0 0%
Molin 0 0%
Ritchie 16 43.24%
Roman 0 0%
Sceviour 1 2.70%
Stransky 0 0%
Theriau 0 0%
Vance 1 2.70%
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07-23-2011, 08:57 AM
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HFStars 2011 Top-20 Prospects: [#12]

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pos.
country
acquired
round
change
% of vote
1
 ‏‏‏‏Jack Campbell
G
2010
1st
0
48.7
2
 ‏‏‏‏Philip Larsen
D
2008
5th
0
44.4
3
 ‏‏‏‏Scott Glennie
C
2009
1st
0
50.0
4
 ‏‏‏‏‏‏‏‏Jamie Oleksiak
D
2011
1st
new
45.0
5
 ‏‏‏‏Alex Chiasson
RW
2009
2nd
1
71.4
6
 ‏‏‏‏‏‏‏‏Richard Bachman
G
2006
4th
0
29.7
7
 ‏‏‏‏‏‏‏‏Tomas Vincour
RW
2009
5th
2
44.7
8
 ‏‏‏‏‏‏‏‏Patrik Nemeth
D
2010
2nd
0
72.4
9
 ‏‏‏‏‏‏‏‏Reilly Smith
RW
2009
3rd
4
67.7
10
 ‏‏‏‏‏‏‏‏John Klingberg
D
2010
5th
6
62.5
11
 ‏‏‏‏‏‏‏‏Tyler Beskorowany
G
2008
2nd
1
40.6

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How in the hell is Beskorowany ranked higher than Dillon, Labrie, or Ritchie?

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Brenden Dillon.

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Hmm, Ritchie already has more votes than he did last poll and Dillon half as many.

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Guess that blast against Dillon last thread turned some people off. I don't see how a guy who probably will be at worst a 6th Dman is getting ignored though. Maybe people's criteria values potential vs sure things still even at #12?

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Guess that blast against Dillon last thread turned some people off. I don't see how a guy who probably will be at worst a 6th Dman is getting ignored though. Maybe people's criteria values potential vs sure things still even at #12?
How is it a blast? Ritchie is a very talented player as well. The fact they are in the same conversation says a great deal about Dillon. It's not a slight. Dallas is just really deep for the first time in a long time.

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I was going to go with Dillon here but decided on Ritchie instead. He's a big skilled forward with top 6 potential. I think he would have gone in the first round if he hadn't had the health problems this year. I've seen James Neal comparisons, but to me he sounds more like Chiasson, I wouldnt be surprised in the least to see him as a player that rockets up the prospect depth chart over the course of next season.

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Guess that blast against Dillon last thread turned some people off. I don't see how a guy who probably will be at worst a 6th Dman is getting ignored though. Maybe people's criteria values potential vs sure things still even at #12?
Or many of the people who voted for Beskorowany decided to vote for Ritchie. Did you look at the actual voters? I don't think many people flipped.

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Or many of the people who voted for Beskorowany decided to vote for Ritchie. Did you look at the actual voters? I don't think many people flipped.
Of the people who have already voted, the ones that voted in 11 for Dillon voted for him again in 12. Same is true of Ritchie. No one is flipping sides.

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Guess that blast against Dillon last thread turned some people off. I don't see how a guy who probably will be at worst a 6th Dman is getting ignored though. Maybe people's criteria values potential vs sure things still even at #12?
If you're talking about my post, that wasn't a blast against his current play or his potential, I just don't think he's all that close to the NHL yet. I don't think his potential is very high, but his current play in the AHL is very impressive.

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We're definitely getting into the area of the list where things get a lot more gray and the thinking behind people's choices varies.

I agree that Ritchie looks like he could have top 6 potential and I think he has a decent shot at reaching it. I just have a hard time shaking the feeling that Dillon will step in pretty soon and be a guy who is a solid contributor, and who may make a current defenseman expendable to upgrade elsewhere. I mean, how often does a guy get signed as an undrafted FA out of juniors and contribute within 12-18 months (which I think he will).

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We're definitely getting into the area of the list where things get a lot more gray and the thinking behind people's choices varies.

I agree that Ritchie looks like he could have top 6 potential and I think he has a decent shot at reaching it. I just have a hard time shaking the feeling that Dillon will step in pretty soon and be a guy who is a solid contributor, and who may make a current defenseman expendable to upgrade elsewhere. I mean, how often does a guy get signed as an undrafted FA out of juniors and contribute within 12-18 months (which I think he will).
CHL ... probably not so often. The NCAA it's often more possible because those guys tend to be older. Bozak and Gilroy are recent examples. I can't think of a CHL example.

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How in the hell is Beskorowany ranked higher than Dillon, Labrie, or Ritchie?
Oh I don't know. Couldn't be that he's a high-ceiling prospect who excelled in his first professional season, could it?

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Pushing your buttons is fun.

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close vote here. hope ritchie squeaks one out

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Pushing your buttons is fun.
Apparently more so than pushing the vote button, since you couldn't be bothered to do that before complaining about the results.

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I may be the only one that's not sold on Ritchie at all yet. There's a lot of promise, but he's got to make major improvements to his first step and agility (good speed, but slow acceleration, poor agility) as well as improving his release (heavy shot, but takes forever to get it off) to really make any impact, IMO. Without those tweaks to his game, he's around the same development path as Vincour, though slightly better. In fact, my concerns about Ritchie sound exactly the same as the ones I had about Vincour.

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Mark did a piece on Dillon:

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Brenden Dillon is a late bloomer. And in some ways it is no surprise. He got a bit of a late start on his junior hockey career.

He was passed over in the Western Hockey League’s Bantam draft, which Dillon was eligible for the year he would turn fifteen. The reason he was overlooked? He was too small.

“I remember the whole thing. I was sitting with my dad, we were watching it on the computer screen, 15 rounds went by and I had been passed over,” Dillon said of the WHL draft. “It was one of those things where everyone was over six feet tall and I was there at 5-2.”

And about 105 pounds or so, Dillon said. Two years later, however, things had changed.

“At 17, I came into the Seattle (WHL) camp at 5-10 or 5-11 and ended up making the team,” said Dillon. “Here I am now at 6-3.”

And it's 209 pounds these days. His next camp will be in Charlottetown, Prince Edward this September and he'll be attending as one of the top defense prospects of the Dallas Stars.

“He’s come into his own, he’s a late bloomer,” said Stars GM Joe Nieuwendyk.

But his path to landing a spot with an NHL team was a familiar one. Dillon was passed over in the NHL Entry Draft, although he was ranked 91st among North American skaters in 2009.

“He was passed over in the draft and our guys have kept an eye on him,” said Nieuwendyk.

Dillon did get a lot of attention last season as he had a breakout campaign with Seattle. He finished fifth in scoring among WHL defensemen with 59 points (8 goals, 51 assists) in 72 games. Several NHL teams were interested in signing him as a free agent, and he agreed to an entry-level deal with Dallas in the spring.

Dillon showed why the interest was so high when he joined the Texas Stars on an amateur tryout contract late last season after his junior career came to an end. Texas was shorthanded on the blue line due to injuries and call ups, forcing Dillon to get pushed into the mix right away. He was impressive in how quickly he made the adjustment to the pro game from juniors.

“For the first couple games I was just trying to keep it simple and just try to play to my strengths – my speed and my physical play. I think as I got more comfortable I started to hop into the rush some more, which is what I like to do,” Dillon said. “I ended up getting a couple points towards the end and I actually got into a fight in the playoffs, which is something I won’t shy away from but at the same time don’t really go looking for.”

In the Calder Cup Playoffs, he had two assists in six games, logged big minutes and played in all key situations for Texas. His performance during the playoffs drew favorable reviews.

“He’s an amazing player. He’s big, he skates well, and he sees the ice,” veteran defenseman Brad Lukowich said back in April. “You see the minutes that he’s logging and he’s just fresh out of juniors. He’s one of those guys that he is supposed to make mistakes once in a while, but we’re still waiting for him to do it. He’s just a smart hockey player.”

The 20-year-old will begin his pro career full time this season. It won’t be easy to crack the Dallas lineup based on the roster right now, but he should get a pretty good look in training camp and he doesn’t appear to be too far away from seeing some NHL action. A lot will depend on how he fares at training camp.

“I’m excited,” Dillon said. “Going into camp you want to make goals for yourself and as a prospect your goal is to make the Dallas Stars as soon as you can. That’s mine as well. I just want to go in and do my best to make the decision hard for the coaches and that’s all I can control.”

Being in that kind of position isn’t bad for a guy who six years ago got passed over in the WHL’s Bantam Draft for being too small.

“It’s one of those stories where maybe those guys that are shrimps or on the smaller end,” Dillon said, “you have to just keep battling.”

And a growth spurt can help too.

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