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Don't get me wrong, I'm not alleging that the Flyers will miss the playoffs or that if they do, Laviolette should necessarily be fired. But we all know how wild the Philly media runs rampant, and how a large portion of the philly fanbase gobbles that garbage up.

It would be very interesting should such a situation arise where the flyers are not succeeding and we have to read articles every week about how the management mistakenly took the side of the coach over the talent.
It doesn't appear to be coach vs. talent though.

From all reports this appears to be bad eggs vs. everyone.

We can't know for sure, but that's what we're being led to believe.

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My god, are those all girls in that picture?

Good riddance then.

Also, as a bartender I'm strictly against prohibition. Denying people the right to ruin their lives or enrich their lives is immoral. Not to mention I enjoy my job.

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I wouldn't go to Dry Island either



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It doesn't appear to be coach vs. talent though.

From all reports this appears to be bad eggs vs. everyone.

We can't know for sure, but that's what we're being led to believe.
Which reports are we talking about again? From what I recall, there was supposedly a division in the locker room, with some siding with Pronger and some with Richie. There was also a supposed rift between Richards and Lavi. I don't ever recall there being a situation where it strictly came down to the room vs. Richards/Carter.

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In that case, at LEAST 90% of the NHL wouldn't be accepted on the Flyers. Professional athletes aren't renowned for their monastic ways.

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700 Level: Peter Laviolette's Dry Island and the Flyers World We Don't Know

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Almost everything we know for sure about the Philadelphia Flyers takes place within the boards, on the ice. That much we can see with our own eyes, and even with that, we don't know the half of it. Off the ice, we know little more than what we're given in postgame locker room interviews, which while they're increasingly prevalent, they're also increasingly filled with athletes trying to say as little as possible.

This great unknown leads to one thing above all else—speculation. Fans and media alike are subject to the temptation to explain on-ice failures by speculating that there are locker room or other off-ice issues, such as players partying too much. Both of these items have been present in print and online for most of the tenures of Mike Richards and Jeff Carter as the faces of the franchise, although the party stories had subsided.

That is until today, when Dan Gross of the Daily News broke a story that will very quickly find its way from his gossip page to sports pages around the city and probably throughout the US and Canada.


Shortly after his arrival in December 2009, coach Peter Laviolette instituted what players came to call the "Dry Island." Laviolette asked team members to commit to not drinking for a month, and each player was asked to write his number on a locker room board as a pledge. No. 17 (Carter) and No. 18 (Richards) were absent from the board on the first Dry Island, as well as the estimated five more times the policy was instituted.

Obviously, this story, which Gross sources to other Flyers players who are unnamed in the report, will add fuel to the speculation that this is the reason Richards and Carter were very surprisingly sent packing despite having agreed to career deals with the team.

Paul Holmgren, understandably pissed that current Flyers players let this leak to the press, adamantly told Gross that while Richards and Carter had indeed not committed to Dry Island, this in no way had anything to do with why they were traded. Carter's agent echoed the sentiment, or perhaps more accurately, he colorfully amplified it.

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Which reports are we talking about again? From what I recall, there was supposedly a division in the locker room, with some siding with Pronger and some with Richie. There was also a supposed rift between Richards and Lavi. I don't ever recall there being a situation where it strictly came down to the room vs. Richards/Carter.
And all the rumours were denied by the parties involved. Party line? Maybe. But until someone with a name comes out and says yes, there were issues between Lavi and Richie, yes there were issues between Pronger and Richie, yes, the entire room was on one side while Richie and Carter were on another, I will play the wait and see game.

Right now, anyone can come out with any kind of story about Richards and Carter and because of some pictures taken 3 or 4 years ago, a lot of people would automatically believe them. It's a byproduct of the National Enquirer/TMZ type of environment we live in.

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Which reports are we talking about again? From what I recall, there was supposedly a division in the locker room, with some siding with Pronger and some with Richie. There was also a supposed rift between Richards and Lavi. I don't ever recall there being a situation where it strictly came down to the room vs. Richards/Carter.
Some of the "leaks" said that Carter and Richards were cliquish that's the only reference I saw and I think it was mentioned by some of the "insiders" like Dobberhockey..

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And all the rumours were denied by the parties involved. Party line? Maybe. But until someone with a name comes out and says yes, there were issues between Lavi and Richie, yes there were issues between Pronger and Richie, yes, the entire room was on one side while Richie and Carter were on another, I will play the wait and see game.

Right now, anyone can come out with any kind of story about Richards and Carter and because of some pictures taken 3 or 4 years ago, a lot of people would automatically believe them. It's a byproduct of the National Enquirer/TMZ type of environment we live in.
There was a dry island that the team was asked to take part in. Richards and Carter, among a few others, chose to put themselves ahead of the voluntary policy. Two players on the team decide to come out with this information. All these signs point to no problems or divisions in the locker room, obviously.

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There was a dry island that the team was asked to take part in. Richards and Carter, among a few others, chose to put themselves ahead of the voluntary policy. Two players on the team decide to come out with this information. All these signs point to no problems or divisions in the locker room, obviously.
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Which reports are we talking about again? From what I recall, there was supposedly a division in the locker room, with some siding with Pronger and some with Richie. There was also a supposed rift between Richards and Lavi. I don't ever recall there being a situation where it strictly came down to the room vs. Richards/Carter.
Not "all" reports as in "every report says this." I mean "all" as in piecing together everything.

Richards/Carter vs. Laviolette
Richards/Carter vs. Pronger
Richards/Carter vs. Veteran Leadership
The fact that other players like Giroux, JVR, Briere, and others did not seem to take it bad when they heard about the trades.

It doesn't seem like the same friends Richards/Carter had when Lupul and Upshall and Umberger were all here.

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The problems or divisions may well have been CAUSED by the Dry Island thingy. If you're a boss and you instantly want to cause a rift with some of your employees then some kind of moral, 1920's era prohibition program for the work place is a fantastic way way to instantly accomplish it. The same holds true for a coach of any athletic team.

If Lavi wanted to cut back partying there were better ways to do it, instead of a program that instantly cuts the room into two groups. "No drinking at all" is an extreme position, and was guaranteed to result in people being unhappy.

Someone mentioned a pact that Rangers players had years ago. That's a better way to do it. Restrict it to two drinks...people who don't want to drink at all won't. Players who want to drink can do so, and can police each other...as well as be policed by the guys who aren't drinking. Everyone is happier, because people aren't being told they absolutely can't do something.

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I used google earth to locate Dry Island....came up with this image


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I used google earth to locate Dry Island....came up with this image



That's fitting.

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The problems or divisions may well have been CAUSED by the Dry Island thingy. If you're a boss and you instantly want to cause a rift with some of your employees then some kind of moral, 1920's era prohibition program for the work place is a fantastic way way to instantly accomplish it. The same holds true for a coach of any athletic team.

If Lavi wanted to cut back partying there were better ways to do it, instead of a program that instantly cuts the room into two groups. "No drinking at all" is an extreme position, and was guaranteed to result in people being unhappy.

Someone mentioned a pact that Rangers players had years ago. That's a better way to do it. Restrict it to two drinks...people who don't want to drink at all won't. Players who want to drink can do so, and can police each other...as well as be policed by the guys who aren't drinking. Everyone is happier, because people aren't being told they absolutely can't do something.
This is why I asked a previous poster when all this partying hoopla really started up, if dry island has been in place since approximately December of 2009. Too lazy to research.

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I'd be pretty disgruntled about my boss telling me what to do in my free time, especially if it isn't affecting my job.

I wouldn't say that it was affecting how either Carter or Richards did their job. Richards' wrist injury sure as hell did though.

This is exactly the kind of team policy/initiative that is ONLY going to cause a split in the locker room or between players and coach, and it strikes me as being very ill advised.
You might say it didn't affect their work, but the people for whom and with whom they worked certainly didn't share your view. They got rid of them after years of trying to sort the issues out.

The Dry Island idea seems like something borne out of desperation to solve a problem that shouldn't have been one.

You have to assume the Lavy issued the 'let's commit to winning and stop drinking' challenge as way of getting the Captain and his First Mate to man up and be first two to sign.

Their failure to do so was glaringly noticed. The coach probably should have stripped them of their rank right away -in retrospect it might've helped them stay.

Richards said the team wasn't on the same page. He could have started by writing his number on the page. But then again, he did have a bad wrist and Sharpies are heavy....

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The problems or divisions may well have been CAUSED by the Dry Island thingy. If you're a boss and you instantly want to cause a rift with some of your employees then some kind of moral, 1920's era prohibition program for the work place is a fantastic way way to instantly accomplish it. The same holds true for a coach of any athletic team.

If Lavi wanted to cut back partying there were better ways to do it, instead of a program that instantly cuts the room into two groups. "No drinking at all" is an extreme position, and was guaranteed to result in people being unhappy.

Someone mentioned a pact that Rangers players had years ago. That's a better way to do it. Restrict it to two drinks...people who don't want to drink at all won't. Players who want to drink can do so, and can police each other...as well as be policed by the guys who aren't drinking. Everyone is happier, because people aren't being told they absolutely can't do something.
That's right, it's all Laviolette's fault. I should have known.

Bring Stevens back. Betty Crocker instead of Captain Morgan.

Give me a break.

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You might say it didn't affect their work, but the people for whom and with whom they worked certainly didn't share your view. They got rid of them after years of trying to sort the issues out.

The Dry Island idea seems like something borne out of desperation to solve a problem that shouldn't have been one.

You have to assume the Lavy issued the 'let's commit to winning and stop drinking' challenge as way of getting the Captain and his First Mate to man up and be first two to sign.

Their failure to do so was glaringly noticed. The coach probably should have stripped them of their rank right away -in retrospect it might've helped them stay.

Richards said the team wasn't on the same page. He could have started by writing his number on the page. But then again, he did have a bad wrist and Sharpies are heavy....
As I said, if it was such a glaring problem, this was a terrible way to try and fix it. Not only does it not help any problem guys stop drinking (If it truly WAS a problem), but it also instantly divides the room into two groups.

It takes any problem that might exist, and makes it worse.

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That's right, it's all Laviolette's fault. I should have known.

Bring Stevens back. Betty Crocker instead of Captain Morgan.

Give me a break.
Cool. Prove my points wrong. Do try and explain why this isn't a poor way to handle the issue, instead of making straw men.

Never did I say or imply that Lavi should be fired. I only said that I think he handled the situation poorly.

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Sooooooooooooooo Richards and Carter like to drink...shocker...


Anyways they're both gone now, why the hell should we care that they have a drinking problem.



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Makes one wonder why LA and Columbus gave up so much for two OBVIOUS alcoholics. emirite?

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Makes one wonder why LA and Columbus gave up so much for two OBVIOUS alcoholics. emirite?
They gave up at least 2 alcoholics in training.

So I guess we can give up any notion of partying free agents ever playing in Philly while Lavi is at the helm, eh?

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They gave up at least 2 alcoholics in training.

So I guess we can give up any notion of partying free agents ever playing in Philly while Lavi is at the helm, eh?
I'd love to know how he'd handle Ovechkin and Semin. Those two apparently make Richards and Carter look like nuns.

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Holmgren had to take the two of them aside for a car ride to talk about their "professionalism".

Team was horribly inconsistent and Steven's gets fired.

Lavi comes in and perhaps sees certain players lifestyles as an issue to the teams success, and institutes a non-drinking club, maybe as a challenge or goal to motivate players in light of being at the bottom of the conference....

so, yes its obvious that the coach is the cause of the locker room divide.

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