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07-25-2011, 09:57 AM
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I don't think Boyle had a lucky first half in any way... Boyle talked about it in that piece above where he basically made the mental decision that he had to find ways to get better. Sometimes players at any level just go out there to be out there. THey aren't necessarily out there figuring out every possible way to get better. He made that decision and took the skating very seriously. He realized he had to take it serious because his spot in the league relied on it.

Last year it was pretty clear what he was... He has a VERY good wrist shot. His improved skating he even said gave him more control in other areas of the ice which allows him to do.

It's about imposing your will on the game and Boyle decided to do that. It's impossible to know what turns on that switch with a player, just that sometimes it does turn on. Even though he didn't put up the same numbers in the 2nd half, he was still doing a lot of great things for the team.

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07-25-2011, 12:09 PM
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First Del Zotto not having success last year doesn't discredit Gary Robert's training regimen. It's a strength and conditioning thing of course it's not going to improve his defensive awareness. Stamkos wasn't nearly as strong in his rookie season and it was a combination of hard work and feeling more comfortable in the NHL sure.

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That's not the point. The point is people automatically assumed Del Zotto was going to have a stellar season because he worked out with Roberts, when in reality it had little barring on the actual outcome.

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That's not the point. The point is people automatically assumed Del Zotto was going to have a stellar season because he worked out with Roberts, when in reality it had little barring on the actual outcome.
agreed. NOBODY is denying Underhill helped Boyle...everyone simply assumes shes going to turn every piece of coal into a diamond now. Thats what annoys the hell outta me. im sure she will help some...but im not A)convinced she will help everyone all that much B)convinced that Boyles first half was anything other than a very lucky streak and that the Boyle we saw the 2nd half is more like what we'll see going forward.

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agreed. NOBODY is denying Underhill helped Boyle...everyone simply assumes shes going to turn every piece of coal into a diamond now. Thats what annoys the hell outta me. im sure she will help some...but im not A)convinced she will help everyone all that much B)convinced that Boyles first half was anything other than a very lucky streak and that the Boyle we saw the 2nd half is more like what we'll see going forward.
I think this is a classic example of board members taking the minority, extreme opinion, and assuming it's more widely believed/held by the majority of fans, when it's not....

Fans, overall, are pleased to learn about the players focusing on their skating in this manner, because its hows a commitment by the aforementioned players to improve an area of the game the players do actually have influence over (as opposed to hockey sense or IQ or something along those lines). Skating is key with the type of game plan that Tortorella runs, and to see so many players focusing on their skating in the last 2 years, tells me that the players want to buy into his style of play, and want to try to maximize their effectiveness under that type of game plan. May also tell me that what Boyle has undergone is rubbing off on or influencing his teammates and who may be eager to try and achieve similar results, which is also a positive...

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agreed. NOBODY is denying Underhill helped Boyle...everyone simply assumes shes going to turn every piece of coal into a diamond now. Thats what annoys the hell outta me. im sure she will help some...but im not A)convinced she will help everyone all that much B)convinced that Boyles first half was anything other than a very lucky streak and that the Boyle we saw the 2nd half is more like what we'll see going forward.
That's all well and good, but at this point, both sides are arguing a point with a very small sample size available as evidence.

In my opinion, the Boyle's biggest downfall as a player has always been his skating. He always looked like you plucked a guy off the Giants or Jets roster and put him on skates. "Good skater for a guy his size" certainly isn't synonymous with "good skater" and that's exactly what people said about him. Improving that part of his game has undoubtedly influenced his game in a positive way, and while he may have gotten lucky, he also became a much better hockey player because of his skating.

People also often over look the fact that one of the reasons he slowed down in the second half was that while he's in his mid twenties, that was the most hockey he's ever played at the NHL level. In 09-10, he was averaging 8 minutes per game. Last year he doubled that. It's a major adjustment for anyone, not just 20 year old rookies.

Do I think Underhill is responsible for all of Boyle's success? No, of course not. He's always been a skilled player. However, skating is such an important part of the game that I have no doubt that working with her helped Boyle take his game to the next level. Will it do the same for MZA, MDZ, and Wolski? It of course remains to be seen, but I'm remaining optimistic.

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hahaha more more more more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm a huge proponent of what she's doing for the guys, but I kind of agree with you.

Mostly, though, I just like it when people get angry.

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I think what she did with Boyle and players in the past was great, but I agree that she gets WAY too much publicity.

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If it addresses a weakness in a player, I don't see why anyone would criticize the process of skate training.

I don't think anyone is implying Barb is going to save Wolski's career. They are hoping that it will (in theory) improve on his weak skating that is a negative factor to his game. Anyone with sense knows that Wolski won't turn into a 70 point player, but if skating training contributes to him returning to 55 points while improving in other areas of the ice it was a success.

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I honestly don't care how many hits Boyle has. He dies not truly hit, he shoves. Prucha hit harder than Boyle, and I am not exaggerating. He should learn to drive through the guy he hits.

Same for shots. He does not shoot, he just flips the puck towards the net.

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I think this is a classic example of board members taking the minority, extreme opinion, and assuming it's more widely believed/held by the majority of fans, when it's not....

Fans, overall, are pleased to learn about the players focusing on their skating in this manner, because its hows a commitment by the aforementioned players to improve an area of the game the players do actually have influence over (as opposed to hockey sense or IQ or something along those lines). Skating is key with the type of game plan that Tortorella runs, and to see so many players focusing on their skating in the last 2 years, tells me that the players want to buy into his style of play, and want to try to maximize their effectiveness under that type of game plan. May also tell me that what Boyle has undergone is rubbing off on or influencing his teammates and who may be eager to try and achieve similar results, which is also a positive...
Pretty much. I don't see anyone that thinks Barb is going to turn every piece of **** to diamonds.

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Barbara Underhill, Barbara Underhill, Barbara Underhill, Barbara Underhill, Barbara Underhill, Barbara Underhill, Barbara Underhill.......

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Anyone with sense knows that Wolski won't turn into a 70 point player
He had 65 two years ago, are you so sure this is impossible?

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Do I think she's a magic worker? No.

Boyle himself said the game came to him and he understood it but skating never came naturally. It's something he needed a little extra help with. You were right initially when you said he was more confident and that is what really helped him but that confidence came from his improved skating. Knowing he could make a turn or accelerate quicker into open space and get better scoring chances.

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He had 65 two years ago, are you so sure this is impossible?
I'm pretty damn sure Wolski will never hit 70 under Torts.

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LAst year it was MDZworking with Gary Roberts ala Stamkos... this year its MZA and WW working with Barb ala Boyle...

I do think it gave Boyle the confidence to do things he hadnt been able to do before. Will it have the same effect on WW and MzA maybe? But im not holding my breath.

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I've yet to see anyone improve his skating as much as Brandon Dubinsky, and he did it in our own camp. Second to Dubinsky, and miles ahead of Brian Boyle, I hold Jed Ortmayer. That kid I promise you could not skate like a AHLer when he first came into this org. Our own camp.

Boyle? Sure his skating improved some, but his problem was always his big body. Props to UB

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I honestly don't care how many hits Boyle has. He dies not truly hit, he shoves. Prucha hit harder than Boyle, and I am not exaggerating. He should learn to drive through the guy he hits.

Same for shots. He does not shoot, he just flips the puck towards the net.
Not every big guy is a hitter, that was the knock on Joe Thornton by Boston fans they looked at his size and tried to will him to be Cam Neely and they got frustrated when he didn't become that.

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While I agree that reading Barb's name all over the place is getting pretty tiresome, the result of Boyle training with her is undeniable. I'm not sure if this has been posted yet but it really is amazing to see how much faster his strides became after working with her. There is some great side by side video of his before and after. Check it out:



This was a feature during intermission in one of the games towards the beginning of the season. Really good stuff.

Have not an idea of who she is, never heard her name. Must have missed that feature. Then again, one can only take so many geico commercials so I usually set an alarm for 20 mins and change the channel.

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I'm interested to see what difference she can make with MDZ and WW.

I really want them both to do well.

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I'm interested to see what difference she can make with MDZ and WW.

I really want them both to do well.
I think she can improve Wolski's stride more than MDZ, because I really don't think skating is an issue for MDZ. More so consistency and his play in the defensive zone.

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I think she can improve Wolski's stride more than MDZ, because I really don't think skating is an issue for MDZ. More so consistency and his play in the defensive zone.
Yes, but Del Zotto isn't a great skater as it is.

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Not every big guy is a hitter, that was the knock on Joe Thornton by Boston fans they looked at his size and tried to will him to be Cam Neely and they got frustrated when he didn't become that.
No reason for the B.P. NOT to be Cam Neely, at least when the Cup is on the line.

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It should be no surprise to anyone that one of the best skaters in the NHL today is Jeff Skinner who was a Canadian Men's Junior Champion. I think if all hockey players were taught to figure skate, they would have a greater appreciation of what they can do, skating wise.

Barb Underhill teaches concepts crucial to all skating, be it hockey or figure. If a player doesn't have to worry about what his feet and body are doing, he has more time to improve his stick handling and hand/eye skills.

You heard her in the video. Keep your shoulders over you hips and you hips over your heels. This can only be done by checking your positions, getting those knees bent and staying square by using your core strength.

I have studied figure skating for the last 35 years and currently practice about 3 hours per week. My coach lives in Lake Placid and I try to get up there for a week every summer to work with her. I need to be checked out by a professional so I don't lapse back into bad habits. I still jump and spin and I'm about the same age as Greschner.

Muscle memory has a lot to do with it but constant supervision and video is invaluable to retain your skills.

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It should be no surprise to anyone that one of the best skaters in the NHL today is Jeff Skinner who was a Canadian Men's Junior Champion. I think if all hockey players were taught to figure skate, they would have a greater appreciation of what they can do, skating wise.

Barb Underhill teaches concepts crucial to all skating, be it hockey or figure. If a player doesn't have to worry about what his feet and body are doing, he has more time to improve his stick handling and hand/eye skills.

You heard her in the video. Keep your shoulders over you hips and you hips over your heels. This can only be done by checking your positions, getting those knees bent and staying square by using your core strength.

I have studied figure skating for the last 35 years and currently practice about 3 hours per week. My coach lives in Lake Placid and I try to get up there for a week every summer to work with her. I need to be checked out by a professional so I don't lapse back into bad habits. I still jump and spin and I'm about the same age as Greschner.

Muscle memory has a lot to do with it but constant supervision and video is invaluable to retain your skills.
I played with a kid who did start as a figure skater, he was incredibly good at using his edges. I don't know that it's necessary to learn figure skating to become that proficient, but it probably couldn't hurt. Another thing that wouldn't hurt is to just hit the ice as often as you can with or without a stick and puck. Skating without a stick feels a lot different and I can see where that could help a person improve.

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