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07-24-2011, 05:57 PM
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Exactly. Also for Nashville to take both Boyes and the defenseman they need Buffalo to take either Lebda or Bouillon to stay under the mid-point.
If given the choice of O'Reilly for Boyes or O'Reilly/Bouillon for Boyes/Morrisonn I'd imagine the Sabres would prefer the first offer.

As some already stated the Sabres don't need to get rid of Boyes. In that sense it differs a little from Nashville's situation as Buffalo's owner could afford those $5m in Kotalik and Morrisonn sitting in the minors (he wouldn't be happy about it, of course, but he'd do it) whereas, if I got the situation correctly, the Preds have an internal budget and Lombardi's salary wasn't covered by the insurance, so they were risking $3.5m sitting on their books that could be used to improve the team instead.

I'm not saying your offer is off, but I would think Regier wouldn't trade Boyes to "solve" their cap situation, but in a "hockey" trade that improves the team. Not saying your offer is a cap dump, though.

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If given the choice of O'Reilly for Boyes or O'Reilly/Bouillon for Boyes/Morrisonn I'd imagine the Sabres would prefer the first offer.
Either way I'd do it.

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I strongly disagree with your assessment on O'Reilly. None of those other players had such a great start to a season as O'Reilly did. He was our leading scorer after 2 and a half months, went into a 2 week slump, then broke his leg. Can't say anything remotely similar about the players you just listed (referring to the the points part here ).

Also, why are you splitting up Smithson and Spaling? They showed that they have great chemistry together, and have been on the same line for a while now. Spaling usually plays center, but they swap sometimes too.

I don't think O'Reilly will be our savior or anything, but how can you write him off already with all that he's shown?
Yeah, I'm hesitant on giving up on Cal already as well.
And those lines he posted are not what I had in mind. Bergfors will not be on a checking line, atleast I hope not.

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07-25-2011, 12:31 AM
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Could be off here but how about Spaling and Mueller for Boyes and Morrisonn. Nash gets a vet d and a top 6 winger and adds salary. Buffalo gets cap relief, a 3 rd line center and adds center depth/a hometown kid to stick in Rochester.

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Could be off here but how about Spaling and Mueller for Boyes and Morrisonn. Nash gets a vet d and a top 6 winger and adds salary. Buffalo gets cap relief, a 3 rd line center and adds center depth/a hometown kid to stick in Rochester.
That would be something to strongly consider. But Spaling has very quickly made a name for himself around here. He's not just a checker, pk'er, he can score too. That's why I'm not a gm. Hard decisions.

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Could be off here but how about Spaling and Mueller for Boyes and Morrisonn. Nash gets a vet d and a top 6 winger and adds salary. Buffalo gets cap relief, a 3 rd line center and adds center depth/a hometown kid to stick in Rochester.
Nashville can't take on that much salary I don't think. I'll have to check the numbers again though.

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now come on take Shaone dammit

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can i just point out that boyes was LITERALLY second on the team in points? and 70th in the league in points means that he is technically a first liner.
why would they trade him? his contract is reasonable if he gets 55 points again. it all depends on whether or not they play him on the wing or at center..

mind you, i have no attachment to him, so if someone wants him then i don't mind if he goes.. but don't undervalue the return.


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now come on take Shaone dammit


If Morrisonn's salary is an issue, we can just send a low pick instead. Trading away Boyes for two young players saves Pegula some money anyway.

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Count me in among those who'd rather just keep Boyes than do a trade where we take on a bunch of clutter as well. My ideal Boyes trade is pretty much a straight up 2nd-line-RW for 3rd-line-C (or a very good 4th line C like Lapierre) deal, with the added elements being low picks, AHL roster players, or mid-level prospects. As soon as we start talking dead weight NHL roster players, no thanks.

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can i just point out that boyes was LITERALLY second on the team in points? and 70th in the league in points means that he is technically a first liner.
why would they trade him? his contract is reasonable if he gets 55 points again. it all depends on whether or not they play him on the wing or at center..

mind you, i have no attachment to him, so if someone wants him then i don't mind if he goes.. but don't undervalue the return.
Buf also got him for a 2nd rounder, do not overvalue him for a return either. Boyes is solid though, there were years he was the blues best forward, he is sick on the pp. But with his offensive skills comes defensive liability. In his best offensive season (70 points) he was a - 20. Now that he is not attacking as much he is a + player. Another factor for the Sabres should be that he got his highest point production in his contract year. I say keep him, but I also think that asking for pretty high prospects for him is too much.

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I strongly disagree with your assessment on O'Reilly. None of those other players had such a great start to a season as O'Reilly did. He was our leading scorer after 2 and a half months, went into a 2 week slump, then broke his leg. Can't say anything remotely similar about the players you just listed (referring to the the points part here ).

Also, why are you splitting up Smithson and Spaling? They showed that they have great chemistry together, and have been on the same line for a while now. Spaling usually plays center, but they swap sometimes too.

I don't think O'Reilly will be our savior or anything, but how can you write him off already with all that he's shown?
I'm not really throwing out lines (to the extent Trotz actually has lines - he seems to just pull names out of a hat on a nightly basis), just a quick depth chart to show what it might look like with Boyes/without O'Reilly.

This trade would be for potentials - we'd be getting the potential for Boyes to click with our playmakers and get back to his 30-40 goal form (for at least a year), and trading away O'Reilly's potential, which is at best a 15G, 30A type season while bouncing between the bench and the bottom lines.

I'm done with the David Poile kool-aid - there's always some young guy we "can't wait to see what he can do when given more top line minutes, good health, learns to play defense, whatever."

If you're counting on Cal O'Reilly to be that missing piece between us and serious Cup contention - well, don't hold your breath. Brad Boyes, however remote those chances might be, might actually be that piece, because he's done it before.

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07-25-2011, 08:37 AM
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Most likely/easiest scenario: Buffalo buries Kotalik (3.0) and Morrisonn (2.05) in the minors and clears 5 million in cap space.

Morrisonn could have a trade market as he is a physical NHL 3rd pair defensemen who has 1 year left at a very reasonable salary for what he brings.

The Sabres could also shop Brad Boyes (4.0), but they won't be giving away a 55 pt winger for nothing.
ok, I didnt know Buffalo had the cashflow to bury 5 million.

Is this new owner really that cavalier with his cash?

Boyes for oreilly makes sense.

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ok, I didnt know Buffalo had the cashflow to bury 5 million.

Is this new owner really that cavalier with his cash?


Boyes for oreilly makes sense.
I think he's counting on somebody taking Morrisonn, either for a low-round pick (5th-7th), or even off waivers. That'll save him $2.075m right there. As far as Kotalik goes, I'm sure they'll try to move him, but they'll play him in Rochester if they have to. The main reason they took Kotalik was because Calgary was essentially giving us their 2nd rounder to do so, and it was the key to getting them to agree to the Regehr deal and not go soliciting other offers for Regehr (which they may have done given Regehr's initial reluctance).

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ok, I didnt know Buffalo had the cashflow to bury 5 million.

Is this new owner really that cavalier with his cash?

Boyes for oreilly makes sense.
No one knows if he's really that cavalier with it but he's a huge fan from his younger days who made a massive amount of wealth and isn't afraid to spend it (and lose it) on his team. To what extent he's willing to lose it remains to be seen, but it wouldn't stun anyone that's familiar with him if he did spend $5M in that fashion if he thinks it'll bring his team closer to the Cup.

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No one knows if he's really that cavalier with it but he's a huge fan from his younger days who made a massive amount of wealth and isn't afraid to spend it (and lose it) on his team. To what extent he's willing to lose it remains to be seen, but it wouldn't stun anyone that's familiar with him if he did spend $5M in that fashion if he thinks it'll bring his team closer to the Cup.
And by the same token, I don't think for a minute that Regier isn't trying to find a way to unload some if not all of that.

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And by the same token, I don't think for a minute that Regier isn't trying to find a way to unload some if not all of that.
Exactly. Pegula isn't a charity or an idiot. But he will do what needs to be done.

My two cents by the way is that I'd like to see Boyes on this roster unless there's a 1/2 center coming back (in other words, he's packaged).

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Newsflash:

Every GM in the league talking to every other GM in the league.

Because it's July, and what else do they have to do?

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