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07-26-2011, 12:09 AM
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it was a good story but she shouldn't have any cult status. of course if MZA, MDZ, Wolski, and co go gangbusters, it will definitely go cult. Especially on these boards. Barb Underhill will become the Chuck Norris of Hockey. Also, incredibly ironic that you are sick of hearing her name and yet you have a thread about it which guarantees you'll keep seeing her name over and over again. Heck, her name is even in the thread title. In quotes. What would be really ironic is if a mod stickied this thread

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I played with a kid who did start as a figure skater, he was incredibly good at using his edges. I don't know that it's necessary to learn figure skating to become that proficient, but it probably couldn't hurt. Another thing that wouldn't hurt is to just hit the ice as often as you can with or without a stick and puck. Skating without a stick feels a lot different and I can see where that could help a person improve.
Wasn't Jeff Skinner a figure skater when he was younger?

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Wasn't Jeff Skinner a figure skater when he was younger?
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I remember when Mike Gartner (one of the fastest players in the NHL) was asked about his skating he used to tell people he went to power skating school as a child--even before he starting playing hockey. He always credited that training as the basis for his sakting ability.

Either way it puts the whole emphasis on skating.

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The sample size on Barb's work is too small to definitively say whether or not she's worth the hype. You can't deny she helped Boyle - his skating improved by leaps and bounds.

Like others have said, if Wolski, MZA and others show improvement as well, then we can start anointing her queen of the ice. Until then, I'll reserve judgment. Definitely agree that if Wolski can improve his footspeed, his skills will be more apparent (also, if as I suspect, he gets a chance to play with Richards and Gaborik on the first line).

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Haven't read the boards in a while so not sure the real background here, but I did want to comment on her quickly. Now granted, Boyle's turnaround had several factors. But no doubt in my mind that her influence and training was the number one reason and it stood out quite clearly. I constantly paid attention to his skating throughout the year and everything about it was different from the past. His strides were so much more confident. His ability to skate and crash the net was improved ten fold. The whole way he went about his skating was vastly improved. There's no denying that in my opinion no matter how frustrated someone can be at hearing her name. She's great at what she does and was able to train Boyle in a way that improved his gameplay tenfold, period. Now granted, she may not have the same effect on any given person, but she is a pro at what she does and likely could help anyone who has similar skating problems. The physical part of hockey relies on solid skating ability more than almost anything else. So yeah, she did an amazing job on Boyle and should probably be hired as a NYR skating coach. Keep her away from other teams ya know? Tons of players on our team could benefit from her no doubt. But then I'd think that would be expected. She's great at what she does and is a seasoned pro at it. So why wouldn't she be able to help? Yeah she's that good. And I think it would be a bit ridiculous to not give her the credit due on Boyle. Aside from other personal improvements, his training with her was so clearly evident and what she did to improve his game is undeniable. So what the heck is wrong with giving her that credit? Just my two cents.

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Haven't read the boards in a while so not sure the real background here, but I did want to comment on her quickly. Now granted, Boyle's turnaround had several factors. But no doubt in my mind that her influence and training was the number one reason and it stood out quite clearly. I constantly paid attention to his skating throughout the year and everything about it was different from the past. His strides were so much more confident. His ability to skate and crash the net was improved ten fold. The whole way he went about his skating was vastly improved. There's no denying that in my opinion no matter how frustrated someone can be at hearing her name. She's great at what she does and was able to train Boyle in a way that improved his gameplay tenfold, period. Now granted, she may not have the same effect on any given person, but she is a pro at what she does and likely could help anyone who has similar skating problems. The physical part of hockey relies on solid skating ability more than almost anything else. So yeah, she did an amazing job on Boyle and should probably be hired as a NYR skating coach. Keep her away from other teams ya know? Tons of players on our team could benefit from her no doubt. But then I'd think that would be expected. She's great at what she does and is a seasoned pro at it. So why wouldn't she be able to help? Yeah she's that good. And I think it would be a bit ridiculous to not give her the credit due on Boyle. Aside from other personal improvements, his training with her was so clearly evident and what she did to improve his game is undeniable. So what the heck is wrong with giving her that credit? Just my two cents.
His skating looked more efficient too me... I think because he improved his form and body posture, he was exerting less energy with his strides and that enabled him to skate more efficiently... Also thought his agility and balance were subsequently improved, which helped his game quite a bit with the puck on his stick.

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Haven't read the boards in a while so not sure the real background here, but I did want to comment on her quickly. Now granted, Boyle's turnaround had several factors. But no doubt in my mind that her influence and training was the number one reason and it stood out quite clearly. I constantly paid attention to his skating throughout the year and everything about it was different from the past. His strides were so much more confident. His ability to skate and crash the net was improved ten fold. The whole way he went about his skating was vastly improved. There's no denying that in my opinion no matter how frustrated someone can be at hearing her name. She's great at what she does and was able to train Boyle in a way that improved his gameplay tenfold, period. Now granted, she may not have the same effect on any given person, but she is a pro at what she does and likely could help anyone who has similar skating problems. The physical part of hockey relies on solid skating ability more than almost anything else. So yeah, she did an amazing job on Boyle and should probably be hired as a NYR skating coach. Keep her away from other teams ya know? Tons of players on our team could benefit from her no doubt. But then I'd think that would be expected. She's great at what she does and is a seasoned pro at it. So why wouldn't she be able to help? Yeah she's that good. And I think it would be a bit ridiculous to not give her the credit due on Boyle. Aside from other personal improvements, his training with her was so clearly evident and what she did to improve his game is undeniable. So what the heck is wrong with giving her that credit? Just my two cents.
Look, in principle, I do not really agree. I would guess timing and other issues were just as big of a factor.

Why? Compare him with someone like Chara. Only a freak of nature like Victor Hedman can be 6'6 and skate like he is 6'2. These guys de facto, and thats what it is about, laws of nature, have to be stronger than someone smaller than them. The mass of something big exeptionally gets bigger than the mass of something smaller. A player like Brian Boyle have to carry around a bigger mass when skating than a shorter player.

We all know how BB skated last season. That was a player who's biggest issue was that he was too weak for his own body. Which isn't strange for a player that size. And to get that strength, it just takes time.

Sometimes it sounds like these guys have not been told how to skate, that is hardly the case. I can guarantee you that. From the time they were 13 y/o, they probably been surrounded by very competent people in this regard. I think there is actually a lot more to do off the ice "in the gym" than on the ice, for example.

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Sometimes it sounds like these guys have not been told how to skate, that is hardly the case. I can guarantee you that. From the time they were 13 y/o, they probably been surrounded by very competent people in this regard. I think there is actually a lot more to do off the ice "in the gym" than on the ice, for example.
I believe it has more to do with learning the correct/optimal form & technique rather than things like repetition, conditioning, and off-ice training. I believe skating is more technical than some would like to believe. In some people's eyes, you can either skate or you can't, they don't break down the technical aspects of the motion.

If you have poor form and technique, that will hinder you every step of the way, regardless of how you improve your conditioning and leg strength... Probably one of the worst skaters on the team that I can remember, post lock-out, was Ryan Hollweg. Not so much in terms of being slow or overall speed, but in terms of having terrible form & technique. If anyone forgot, Hollweg would take all these short, choppy strides, and his skates would push out on diagonals from his center point of gravity. He also didn't have the best posture when skating. Talk about wasted energy while skating. Dubinsky was guilty of this when he came up too. He did the same thing with his off-axis strides and would skate a bit hunched over.

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Seriously, lets sign her up! Enough with the credit already, where was this improved skating in the 2nd half of the season!

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I believe it has more to do with learning the correct/optimal form & technique rather than things like repetition, conditioning, and off-ice training. I believe skating is more technical than some would like to believe. In some people's eyes, you can either skate or you can't, they don't break down the technical aspects of the motion.

If you have poor form and technique, that will hinder you every step of the way, regardless of how you improve your conditioning and leg strength... Probably one of the worst skaters on the team that I can remember, post lock-out, was Ryan Hollweg. Not so much in terms of being slow or overall speed, but in terms of having terrible form & technique. If anyone forgot, Hollweg would take all these short, choppy strides, and his skates would push out on diagonals from his center point of gravity. He also didn't have the best posture when skating. Talk about wasted energy while skating. Dubinsky was guilty of this when he came up too. He did the same thing with his off-axis strides and would skate a bit hunched over.
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I already feel like a better skater.


Tube, you'll probably regret it later, but right now the name change was hilarious.

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The sample size on Barb's work is too small to definitively say whether or not she's worth the hype. You can't deny she helped Boyle - his skating improved by leaps and bounds.

Like others have said, if Wolski, MZA and others show improvement as well, then we can start anointing her queen of the ice. Until then, I'll reserve judgment. Definitely agree that if Wolski can improve his footspeed, his skills will be more apparent (also, if as I suspect, he gets a chance to play with Richards and Gaborik on the first line).
It's been mentioned that she works with Tampa Bay players and is involved in a skating school in Canada (she might be a co-owner, but I just can't remember). I don't think Boyle is the first NHL player she worked with.

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I mean seriously guys....enough is enough....she helped boyle, we know...that doesnt make her a god...and frankly I think Boyles turnaround wasnt because of his legs, it was because of his brain. The guy finally realized he was bigger, heavier, and stronger than almost anyone on the ice, and finally started to use his body more...to hit, to shield the puck, and to put his weight into his shots...the skating was nice, but to me, it wasnt the be all end all...and frankly i think ppl are putting WAY too much stock into she-who-must-not-be-named.
To show sympathy I will make sure to call her Jenna Jiggles from now on.
After all, that is her porn star name

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I am sure it has been said before in this discussion but I look at it as Underhill helped a hockey player who was mentally prepared to put the time and effort into remaking himself a better hockey player. Increased use of edges, better center of balance etc. It's just one aspect or tool that is added to an arsenal to complete a player. You got to give credit to where credit is due-and thats Boyle.

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I guess Boyle forgot everything he learned in the 2nd half of the season.

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I guess Boyle forgot everything he learned in the 2nd half of the season.
Yeah, that must be it. Surely it's not the fact that he played twice as much NHL hockey as he did the prior season by doubling his time on ice per game. Then again, it's only the young kids who get tired over an entire season, right?

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Yeah, that must be it. Surely it's not the fact that he played twice as much NHL hockey as he did the prior season by doubling his time on ice per game. Then again, it's only the young kids who get tired over an entire season, right?
I think if you are gonna give credit for his improved play in the first half, you could be equally critical of his lack of production the 2nd half.

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I think if you are gonna give credit for his improved play in the first half, you could be equally critical of his lack of production the 2nd half.
I never said I wasn't critical of it, but implying that he faltered because he forgot what he learned is silly.

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I never said I wasn't critical of it, but implying that he faltered because he forgot what he learned is silly.
For my 1 cent opinion, I just think this Barb U. stuff is just a little overrated that's all.

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For my 1 cent opinion, I just think this Barb U. stuff is just a little overrated that's all.
Fair enough. I just think it's premature to go one way or another before we see a larger sample size.

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It's been mentioned that she works with Tampa Bay players and is involved in a skating school in Canada (she might be a co-owner, but I just can't remember). I don't think Boyle is the first NHL player she worked with.
She works with other players and her husband is co-owner of the Guelph Storm and she also works with them. THN named her one of the Top 100 influential people in hockey this year.

Her sample size with Ranger players may be small but overall it's not.

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Knew about her work with the Guelph Storm but did not know about the THN designation, cool.

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She's not the only skating coach in hockey. There have been power skating coaches for decades. If it was Bob Underhill and not Barbara Underhill there wouldn't be all this bandwagon jumping.

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She's not the only skating coach in hockey. There have been power skating coaches for decades. If it was Bob Underhill and not Barbara Underhill there wouldn't be all this bandwagon jumping.
Well she turned Brian Boyle into a good player. I'm sure Bob Underhill would get the same love.

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