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07-26-2011, 11:13 AM
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Random thought here.....

Along the lines of putting Weber in front, what if we had kept SOB and planted him there? Of course this would only be on the PP, but he would be tenacious in front, plus a big body. Just a random thought...carry on.

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07-26-2011, 11:17 AM
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Random thought here.....

Along the lines of putting Weber in front, what if we had kept SOB and planted him there? Of course this would only be on the PP, but he would be tenacious in front, plus a big body. Just a random thought...carry on.
It has been discussed a few times around here but I'd plant Tootoo in front. Low center of gravity. Tenacious. Has some ability with his stick. Draws penalties. Hard to knock around.

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07-26-2011, 11:31 AM
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Glenn's (lengthy) breakdown is about 90% accurate. The other 10% that should be included to make it complete is the predictability of the Preds PP and the lack of execution that makes the Preds PP too easy to defend. There's no real "penalty" to the opposition when the Preds make it so easy to defend against, and no cumulative effect of the opponent mentally worrying about getting calls against them or physically working off the PK. It's just another two minutes of the game. Other than that, spot on.

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07-26-2011, 12:08 PM
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Oiler fan here coming in peace. I have always thought we are a natural trading partner as you guys seem to grow young defencemen on the trees in Nashville while we seem overloaded with young cheap forwards.

LW Linus Omark was gradually introduced to the NHL last year getting 3rd / 4th line minutes and teamates. When the injuries struck, he went from 13 minutes a night to 18 and got 2nd line quality linemates. In those last 11 games, he had 8 points. He was our pp quarterback which is a rare feat for a rookie.

With the return of a Smyth and a healthy Hemsky, Linus is shoved back to 3rd / 4th line minutes and teamates. He is cheap and a fan favourite. Nobody really knows what his ceiling is but he looks like a sure bet to be a 2nd line player who is good on the pp.

Omark for one of your young dmen??


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07-26-2011, 12:10 PM
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Well glenn you sorta contradict yourself. While I agree with some of what you say, you "scoff that we need better talent". Then you point out several areas that are all about talent and not coaching, entering the zone, winning faceoffs and reading the play. I'll agree 100% that these are weaknesses in our power play but they are weaknesses in the talent, not the coaching. The coaching has to adjust the play to match the talent. We son't have much success in carrying the puck into the zone so we have to dump and chase. We don't have a playmaker like PK or Sully anymore. I'll also agree that we need to get more to the net, both bodies and pucks and Trotz has been saying this.
Everyone knows the PP needs to be better, nobody more then the players and the coaches. When you get into that situation you sometimes try a little too hard and you end up making things worse, especially as a player. Watching the PP this is what I see, players trying to do too much. We need to simplify first and then build on the success that emerges from the simplification.

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07-26-2011, 12:20 PM
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Omark for one of your young dmen??
Omark for Franson makes a lot of sense....but obviously we dont have Franson anymore. I woudlnt trade Ellis, Josi, Blum, or Ekholm for Omark. Someone like Roussel would be a definite yes, but not for the Oilers. I would love Linus, but im not sure a deal could be worked out.

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07-26-2011, 12:32 PM
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JLSG, while there may be some contradiction, I don't believe talent is the main cause of the problem. When you watch teams that don't have a ton of talent succeed on the PP, I find it hard to believe that talent is the issue. Same can be said for teams with a ton of talent that don't perform well either. So many factors that play into this.

My big complaint is when I see a guy like Hornqvist in the corner trying to handle the puck. That is nuts to me. He should be planted in front of the net at all times.

Now when I spoke of being able to enter the zone and keep possession, you may have missed a point I made. I said I find it funny we have a very skilled puck handler with great speed that is usually sitting on the bench on the PP. Yes, I'm referring to our enigma, Mr. Legwand. His speed would back defenses off the blue line and give us some space to get into the zone and set up. The other factor is, why do we have one guy trying to skate the puck into the zone, usually Erat or Suter and 4 guys standing at the blue line. If the puck is lost, we have 4 guys standing flat footed. Like I said, watch Detroit, all 5 guys are skating towards the blue line, using the entire neutral zone, spaced out and letting the puck work for them. It's like our guys get the puck on their stick and it's like a hand grenade. Use the ice, proper spacing, speed and some new schemes.

There is always talk that we need to get better yet we see the same thing on the ice. Well, if you don't have the talent and your schemes aren't working with the guys you've got, why are the schemes not changing? Obviously we have a few weapons on the blue line with Weber and Suter and they are usually taken out of the play by the D. Well, if two guys are clamping down on them, there should be open ice elsewhere.

We have a big body in Wilson and we fail to use him on the PP. Mistake? Not sure but you don't draft a guy that size number 7 overall to sit on the bench during the PP. Why was Joel Ward used so much on the PP. For his what, 19 points during the regular season? Yet we sit Wilson and Legwand on the bench. The reason we can't set up or stay set up is we have guys with stone hands on the ice while offensively talented players sit on the bench. How many times did you or anyone else wonder why we had Wilson, Legwand and Dumont sit on the bench while others took turns on the PP? I know I wondered about that a lot. That is not a talent issue, that's a coaching decision. Maybe if we had the more talented players on the ice, the result would be better but when you have guys out there that have no business being out there you have to look at personnel/coaching strategies/decisions.

Trotz and the staff do a wonderful job on the PK and at even strength with what they have. They need to figure out a way to adjust their style on the PP so this team can take the next leap. Our PP against Vancouver was atrocious, as it was the year before against Chicago. A few PP goals in both of those series and there may be a different outcome. We'll never know for sure but we need some sort of change.

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07-26-2011, 12:47 PM
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Wilson just hasn't been disciplined enough to earn PP time. Far as Legwand, he's not that good of a puck handler for entering the zone. We really don't have that guy right now. Maybe some of the younger guys can step up into that role, but PK was one of the best at that and we do miss it.
I've heard the we don't change anything stuff for years, but reality is we changed the PP last year several times, some subtle and some not so subtle. The PP and 5x5 strategies change all the time based on players and opposing teams. Zone entering schemes, setup schemes, breakout schemes all changed last year.
Look, I don't disagree that this is a big weakness of the team, but at this point it's just gotten into everyone's head. Maybe with the coaching change and some new players we may see a different take on it this year. As I said we need to simplify the playbook and build on the successes.

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07-26-2011, 01:10 PM
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Ryan Ellis + Goal scorer. PP will be better.

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07-26-2011, 01:44 PM
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Ryan Ellis + Goal scorer. PP will be better.
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Maybe i'm i'll be wrong but i'm excited to see this kid Ellis to see if he has what they are saying because it sound like it is exactly what we need. I think with the right setup even Erat can't miss an open net...ok strike that most of the time

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07-26-2011, 01:45 PM
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Maybe i'm i'll be wrong but i'm excited to see this kid Ellis to see if he has what they are saying because it sound like it is exactly what we need. I think with the right setup even Erat can't miss an open net...ok strike that most of the time
As Poile said at the SOTU, "We have to see if this kid is a specialist or just plain special."

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07-26-2011, 02:42 PM
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07-26-2011, 08:26 PM
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If it isn't a talent issue, how does it explain our few years with a pretty good PP?

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07-27-2011, 12:18 AM
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If it isn't a talent issue, how does it explain our few years with a pretty good PP?
blind squirrels finding nuts?

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If it isn't a talent issue, how does it explain our few years with a pretty good PP?
Paul Kariya who was basically running our pp then when Trotz put his 2 cent worth and it went downward

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When the PP had good numbers we had a couple of guys who could get the puck into the zone and a couple of defenders who could serve as QB. Right now, we don't have those specific skills in the roster. It's a series of issues that make the Preds that can score 5-on-3, can score at even strength, but is in the bottom five with a one man advantage.

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07-30-2011, 01:45 AM
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Our PP struggles for many reasons.

A) We the ability to string passes together, players fail to get open / lack movement and even when we get the passes and movement right we don't have the players to bury chances. Basically not enough offensive creativity and a lack of finishing skills. Makes sense for a team who scores alot of their goals on rushes against the run of play.

Nothing like this:

http://youtu.be/DSycGtTKoUE?t=1m48s

B) Lack of the ability to win face offs.

C) Lack of ability to carry the puck in the zone and lack of ability to win puck battles after we are forced to dump the puck in the zone.

Almost all of the above is due to talent. Right now teams clock the front of the net and let us slowly pass the puck around and block almost all decent chances.

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