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07-01-2009, 08:02 PM
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Glen, you turned Gomez into Gaborik Higgins and McDonagh.

Good job.
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Can't really argue with that, good job

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All RFA-signings done at fair value. We got the UFA we wanted, BR, at a fair price, added some toughness in Rupp. Adding up, well done Glen!!!

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Means nothing until we see the results on the ice. The results are all that matter. That's what they get paid for.

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now all we need is sather to retire

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now all we need is sather to retire
What I don't want is a complete changing of the guards, so that the new GM comes in and right away shakes up the whole organization.

I'd rather take the new and improved Sather and see if this core can seriously contend in the next few years.

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They need to win at least two playoff series in order to get some appreciation from me. The rosters moves were made to win. If they don't do that, it's not a good job.

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Sather hasn't changed, he still listens to the people around him and goes on their advisement like any other manager. He's only doing better now because the people around him have changed and are better. We should be congratulating the Director of Player Personnel and Assistant GMs. Previously they were terrible, now they're solid and know what they're doing.

I say congrats to Jeff Gorton, Gordie Clark, Jim Shoenfeld and to a small extend John Tortorella and good riddance to Don Maloney, Tom Renney, their deplorable scouting, drafting, and advisement on player acquisitions.

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07-28-2011, 12:41 PM
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They need to win at least two playoff series in order to get some appreciation from me. The rosters moves were made to win. If they don't do that, it's not a good job.

Amen to this.

On paper he's doing a much better job than in the past but we haven't seen a damn thing yet.

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07-28-2011, 01:21 PM
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Sather hasn't changed, he still listens to the people around him and goes on their advisement like any other manager. He's only doing better now because the people around him have changed and are better. We should be congratulating the Director of Player Personnel and Assistant GMs. Previously they were terrible, now they're solid and know what they're doing.

I say congrats to Jeff Gorton, Gordie Clark, Jim Shoenfeld and to a small extend John Tortorella and good riddance to Don Maloney, Tom Renney, their deplorable scouting, drafting, and advisement on player acquisitions.
well done.

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Sather hasn't changed, he still listens to the people around him and goes on their advisement like any other manager. He's only doing better now because the people around him have changed and are better. We should be congratulating the Director of Player Personnel and Assistant GMs. Previously they were terrible, now they're solid and know what they're doing.

I say congrats to Jeff Gorton, Gordie Clark, Jim Shoenfeld and to a small extend John Tortorella and good riddance to Don Maloney, Tom Renney, their deplorable scouting, drafting, and advisement on player acquisitions.
yep, totally agree.

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They need to win at least two playoff series in order to get some appreciation from me. The rosters moves were made to win. If they don't do that, it's not a good job.
So true. The time to prove yourself is in April and May, not in July. Win two playoff series for a change and I'll start to believe.


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Sather hasn't changed, he still listens to the people around him and goes on their advisement like any other manager. He's only doing better now because the people around him have changed and are better. We should be congratulating the Director of Player Personnel and Assistant GMs. Previously they were terrible, now they're solid and know what they're doing.

I say congrats to Jeff Gorton, Gordie Clark, Jim Shoenfeld and to a small extend John Tortorella and good riddance to Don Maloney, Tom Renney, their deplorable scouting, drafting, and advisement on player acquisitions.
As always, the counter-argument to that is that Sather hires these guys.

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Jim Boomer Gordon gave Sather a B minus in his GM report cards today. And Boomer is a very hard grader. He gave Uncle Lou an F

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07-28-2011, 09:42 PM
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Sather has been over 10 years on the job. Until they go deep in the play-offs and become a legit contender, there is not much to appreciate. Time to deliver.

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07-28-2011, 09:45 PM
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As always, the counter-argument to that is that Sather hires these guys.
dolan hired sather. is he a good owner?

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07-28-2011, 09:46 PM
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Sather has been over 10 years on the job. Until they go deep in the play-offs and become a legit contender, there is not much to appreciate. Time to deliver.
agreed. He made some good moves and let Gordie Clark run the draft, but its been over a decade of ******** with this guy and now he has made some nice moves as of late.

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07-28-2011, 10:16 PM
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dolan hired sather. is he a good owner?
Brad Richards thinks so.

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dolan hired sather. is he a good owner?
Actually, Dolan is a great hockey owner. He hires a guy to do a job and then he stands back and allows them to do it while providing whatever resources are required. Let's also remember that Sather & co did convince Dolan to allow them to blow up the team and go in a new direction in 2004, which shows that Dolan listens to the guy he hired as well. I disagree with a lot of what Cablevision does and I get the sense that Dolan might be terrible for the basketball team. Also, you can partially point the finger at him for the continually rising ticket prices. However, strictly from the standpoint of the relationship with his President/GM, Dolans only fault as a hockey owner is that he himself isn't enough of a hockey guy to recognize what a GM is doing wrong and what to look for in a new candidate. He just isn't enough of a hockey guy for those of us who are passionate about the hockey team he owns.

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Brad Richards thinks so.
no he doesnt

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Actually, Dolan is a great hockey owner. He hires a guy to do a job and then he stands back and allows them to do it while providing whatever resources are required. Let's also remember that Sather & co did convince Dolan to allow them to blow up the team and go in a new direction in 2004, which shows that Dolan listens to the guy he hired as well. I disagree with a lot of what Cablevision does and I get the sense that Dolan might be terrible for the basketball team. Also, you can partially point the finger at him for the continually rising ticket prices. However, strictly from the standpoint of the relationship with his President/GM, Dolans only fault as a hockey owner is that he himself isn't enough of a hockey guy to recognize what a GM is doing wrong and what to look for in a new candidate. He just isn't enough of a hockey guy for those of us who are passionate about the hockey team he owns.
dolan is not a good owner.

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07-29-2011, 11:29 PM
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no he doesnt
Ugh, yes he actually does. Why he choose the Rangers in his own words:
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To play on an Original Six team, I havenít been able to do that. Stable ownership, thatís kind of bitten me a couple of time. Original Six, as a hockey player, theyíre special to play for. To see an owner do what it takes to do to win. To see how Torts operates. I know it works. It reminds me of what he did in Tampa. At the end of the day, itís the right fit for me.
Richards thinks Dolan is a good owner. You disagree with Richards, sorry if you wish the facts were otherwise.

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Actually, Dolan is a great hockey owner. He hires a guy to do a job and then he stands back and allows them to do it while providing whatever resources are required. Let's also remember that Sather & co did convince Dolan to allow them to blow up the team and go in a new direction in 2004, which shows that Dolan listens to the guy he hired as well. I disagree with a lot of what Cablevision does and I get the sense that Dolan might be terrible for the basketball team. Also, you can partially point the finger at him for the continually rising ticket prices. However, strictly from the standpoint of the relationship with his President/GM, Dolans only fault as a hockey owner is that he himself isn't enough of a hockey guy to recognize what a GM is doing wrong and what to look for in a new candidate. He just isn't enough of a hockey guy for those of us who are passionate about the hockey team he owns.
Acquiring another big name, past his prime, star and placing him on a team lacking any kind of depth was a new direction? If the team had really gone in a new direction in 2004, maybe we wouldn't be waiting for the 2011-2012 season for the possibility of seeing a legitimately good hockey team.

I'm not sure what Dolan knows less about, hockey or basketball, but if he was a good owner for the New York Rangers, Glen Sather would never have been hired in the first place, much less continued to employ him through a job performance that ranks him among the worst front office executives in modern major professional team sports history.

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Acquiring another big name, past his prime, star and placing him on a team lacking any kind of depth was a new direction? If the team had really gone in a new direction in 2004, maybe we wouldn't be waiting for the 2011-2012 season for the possibility of seeing a legitimately good hockey team.

I'm not sure what Dolan knows less about, hockey or basketball, but if he was a good owner for the New York Rangers, Glen Sather would never have been hired in the first place, much less continued to employ him through a job performance that ranks him among the worst front office executives in modern major professional team sports history.
In fairness, his post probably refers solely to the trade deadline firesale, rather than the rest of 2004 season. Jagr was acquired at an earlier stage, when play-offs were still, albeit remote, a possibility. Once they changed course, Jagr was immoveable due to the remaining years on his contract and the uncertainty of the new CBA.

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