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07-31-2011, 12:42 AM
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Tied for 10th in assists in the 4 team PCHA really isn't that impressive. Back then, the best players definitely did play 60 minutes, so that gives you 12 forwards, 4 rovers, and 8 defensemen.

So basically he was tied for 10th out of 16 non-defensemen in assists in the league.

Edit: The 1912-13 PCHA only had 3 Teams! So... tied for 10th in assists is actually quite poor.
He definitely seems like more of a goal scorer.

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Gardner - Ronan - Christian
Hiller - Anisin - Poile
Pettersson - Barlow - Colville

Is that better?

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Tony is skipped.

We thought we might have made a mistake not picking both our coaches earlier after the run on coaches. Then we finally realized there is one coach left who added something quite significant to his resume since last year.

With pick 277, Eden Hall is pleased to draft our head coach:

Claude Julien, coach

- 298-189-10 regular season record (.596)
- 37-30 playoff record

- Stanley Cup in 2011 (in case you didn't remember)

- Jack Adams Award in 2008-09
- Also finished 6th, 7th, 10th, 11th in Jack Adams voting

Julien was sometimes considered "too defensive" in Montreal and New Jersey and a guy who hurt his own team's offense. I think he learned and became a more rounded coach in Boston.


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With pick 288, we'll pick a versatile defensemen, the last defenseman left with multiple top 10 finishes in Norris voting.

Christian Ehrhoff

Norris record: 9th in 09-10, 8th in 10-11.

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Ehrhoff is known as an offensive defenceman.[1] He has strong skating ability, which allows him to quickly carry the puck up the ice, starting plays from his team's defensive zone, as well as join offensive plays deep in the opposing team's zone.[1] He also possesses a hard shot, which earns him significant time on the power play.[1] Upon joining the NHL with San Jose, he had to adjust his game to be more defensive.[17][70] He gradually became counted upon more in defensive situations and has been used on the penalty kill, as well.[1][17]
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While offense always has been his calling card, Ehrhoff won the respect of his San Jose teammates and coaches by doing the dirty work -- blocking shots and playing through injuries. Ehrhoff has brought those same qualities to Vancouver.
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A more meaningful stat relates to the effectiveness of the Canucks' special teams, where Ehrhoff plays a significant role every game.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=513716


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I round out my forward corps by selecting Left Winger John Marks and Right Winger Jason Pominville.

Marks was noted for his defense but also a good offensive game, looking forward to seeing what he can do on my team's 4th line.

Pominville gives me my 2nd modern player and thus fills out all my era requirements. He's been a good penalty killer throughout his career.

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Tied for 10th in assists in the 4 team PCHA really isn't that impressive. Back then, the best players definitely did play 60 minutes, so that gives you 12 forwards, 4 rovers, and 8 defensemen.

So basically he was tied for 10th out of 16 non-defensemen in assists in the league. (assuming 1 or 2 defensemen didn't crack the top 10, I'm too lazy to check).

Edit: The 1912-13 PCHA only had 3 Teams! So... tied for 10th in assists is actually quite poor.
I didn't say it was impressive. I just gave the information.

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Brandon Shamrocks select:

279. Mike Cammalleri, LW

280. Steamer Maxwell, Coach

281. Hugh Currie, D

282. Aaron Broten, LW

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Not sure about Raptor, but I was definitely thinking of taking Cammalleri as a spare - Reen might not like him, but I'd say he's not out of place, especially in the plaoyffs.

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Completed Mark Johnson bio:

http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=3...&postcount=225

Lots of great stuff on him available.

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We're going a touch off the board here with one to fill out our 4th line. We're going to take LW Matt Cooke. He is a tough defensive player who has one top 10 Selke finish, and he adds some sandpaper to the lineup. He is also a good PKer. He'll fit in perfectly on our 4th line.

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We're going a touch off the board here with one to fill out our 4th line. We're going to take LW Matt Cooke. He is a tough defensive player who has one top 10 Selke finish, and he adds some sandpaper to the lineup. He is also a good PKer. He'll fit in perfectly on our 4th line.
Meh, PK finishes of 3, 3, 3, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 aren't very impressive at all. Add on a very limited offensive upside(301 points in 805 games), I don't see how he's worthy. Okay, he brings toughness and being a pest, but there are plenty of guys that can bring that.

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I hate to use the "trust me, I've watched him play" reference, but he is damn good on the PK. He has been behind some really good PKers the last three years. Just because he's behind some of the best in the NHL doesn't mean he can't do it (why I hate using ice time as a sole reference for people's ability on special teams).

It's a defensive and pest 4th line, that's why we took him, not for the offense he brings. He can chip in but that's about it.

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07-31-2011, 01:58 PM
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Montreal Bad Habits select Vladimir Malakhov D
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Ian Laperriere RW
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The Belleville Bulls select:

An excellent checking center..
C - Stu Barnes

..and..a very solid defender..
D - Frank Eddolls
With Eddolls and Malakhov go my two favourite options for a shutdown guy and a PP specialist in the AAA.

I'd take Malakhov over Berard 100 times out of 100.

- He played 100 more NHL games.
- Just from watching them, he was merely "bad" defensively, while they needed to create new words to describe Berard defensively
- Berard is slightly better offensively: 0.33 to 0.29 APPG at ES, and 0.31 to 0.25 on the PP. On the other hand, 38% of Malakhov's career was played after age 30, when Berard retired. As of the end of the 1999 season, Malakhov's averages were both .36 and .33. On the other hand those averages were based on 160 fewer games than Berard played, plus, he jumped right in at 24 and had no "feeling out period", Berard did, but put up points right away anyway. They are close but Berard has a slight edge there.
- Malakhov was surprisingly relied on for a lot of PK time: 39% as opposed to Berard's 16%
- Malakhov is in the top-250 all-time with an adjusted +87. Berard is in the bottom-250 all-time with an adjusted -61.
- Malakhov played an average of 22.28 minutes per game for teams that were pretty much average (1.01 GF/GA ratio). Berard averaged 21.27 for poor teams (0.91). At even strength, they averaged 16.01 and 15.97. (at first glance that makes them look close to even at even strength, but Malakhov did it for better teams, well into his 30s)
- 75 to 20 games playoff experience, plus a cup for Malakhov.
- Berard was big, Malakhov was even bigger (+2 inches, 10 lbs)

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Assuming Billy is skipped...

With pick #263, Awesome Express takes Ted Irvine, LW

With pick #264, we'll take Christian Ruuttu, C/LW
Looks like Ruuttu was a C his whole career except for the 1995 lockout year with the Canucks.

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Red Wings select:

Alex Motter, D (pick 267)
Ronnie Stern, RW (pick 268)
- Who is Alex Motter?

- Ron Stern did have a couple "decent" seasons for a player of his type. But couldn't you guys do better than a career 10-minute-a-game thug?

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Warroad Lakers select Wes Walz, C and Bill Dineen, Coach
My only concern with Wes Walz is he bounced around for over a decade after being drafted, then finally got a permanent job when the NHL went to 30 teams.

He did very well after that, and if we just ignore everything from before that he does have a good defensive resume in the 2nd half of his career. Lemaire was perfect for him.

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This may be a bit off the board but the Sleepwatchers are in need of a very good PK defenseman, and this guy fits the bill, Dan Hamhuis.
I don't think that's off the board. Hamhuis has an excellent PK resume. I took him early in the A draft last year (cumulative pick 1497) and you guys basically bumped him up by 200, which is fair considering he added another year to his fairly short career, and played very strongly as the #2 guy in playoff minutes on a cup finalist.

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He definitely seems like more of a goal scorer.
TBH, he seems like neither a goal scorer or playmaker - more of a glue guy/leader.

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With pick 288, we'll pick a versatile defensemen, the last defenseman left with multiple top 10 finishes in Norris voting.

Christian Ehrhoff

Norris record: 9th in 09-10, 8th in 10-11.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=513716

A better playoff would have increased his resume immensely. But he ended up with the worst +/- of all-time by a cup finalist. (actually, tied for 3rd last all-time, but all-time is a bit of a misnomer, it really means the past 29 years) He tied Luc Robitaille's 1993 mark, but scoring was a lot higher then. He went from a close 2nd in minutes, to 4th. Two guys who were playing 1-1.5 minutes fewer than him in the regular season started playing 2.5-3 more than him in the playoffs.

But yeah, two years of Norris votes are a nice tough right now.

Strange anomaly about Ehrhoff: in 2010, his 22:47 was tops on Vancouver. In 2011, his 23:59 was 2nd!

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I round out my forward corps by selecting Left Winger John Marks and Right Winger Jason Pominville.

Marks was noted for his defense but also a good offensive game, looking forward to seeing what he can do on my team's 4th line.

Pominville gives me my 2nd modern player and thus fills out all my era requirements. He's been a good penalty killer throughout his career.

LOH seems to be down but as soon as it's back up I'll post the links to both player's bios.

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If Marks was a RW, I may have taken him over Harris because I think he's got a better defensive resume (got selke votes in two years, and better PK numbers.

his adjusted ESPPG is actually one point lower than Erixon's though! :yikes:

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Brandon Shamrocks select:

279. Mike Cammalleri, LW

280. Steamer Maxwell, Coach

281. Hugh Currie, D

282. Aaron Broten, LW
Cammelleri's recorded position by season looks like this:

CCRCLLCL

which makes his approximate NHL experience at each position as follows:

C: 205
LW: 211
RW: 80

not too shabby! A legitimate two-position player if I ever saw one, and a passable MLD RW for short periods, too.

Aaron Broten played enough center to count as a multi-positional guy, too.

Who's Hugh Currie?

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We'll also be taking Dave Tippett as a spare. We were stuck between him and a backup goalie, but we're jus going to take him and deal with that later. Tippett is also a very good PKer and will fit in well on the 4th line.

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Cammelleri's recorded position by season looks like this:

CCRCLLCL

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cammalleri never played center for Montreal.

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We're going a touch off the board here with one to fill out our 4th line. We're going to take LW Matt Cooke. He is a tough defensive player who has one top 10 Selke finish, and he adds some sandpaper to the lineup. He is also a good PKer. He'll fit in perfectly on our 4th line.
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Meh, PK finishes of 3, 3, 3, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 aren't very impressive at all. Add on a very limited offensive upside(301 points in 805 games), I don't see how he's worthy. Okay, he brings toughness and being a pest, but there are plenty of guys that can bring that.
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I hate to use the "trust me, I've watched him play" reference, but he is damn good on the PK. He has been behind some really good PKers the last three years. Just because he's behind some of the best in the NHL doesn't mean he can't do it (why I hate using ice time as a sole reference for people's ability on special teams).

It's a defensive and pest 4th line, that's why we took him, not for the offense he brings. He can chip in but that's about it.
26% of penalties killed, at a rate 10% better than the league average, is really good for a winger available now, particularly one with decent offense.

(isn't Cooke's real value as an agitator, though?)

Just saw you took Tippett. EVEN BETTER PKer. 38%, and 12% better than the average. Good selke record for available players, too. Provided less offense than Erixon (since Erixon seems to be the MLD "hands of stone" gold standard now )

If I didn't get Erixon, I'd have waited and taken Tippett mid-draft. I am pretty sure that based on pure defensive ability, he's top-10 among forwards and he'd have been an early MLD pick for me.

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With Eddolls and Malakhov go my two favourite options for a shutdown guy and a PP specialist in the AAA.

I'd take Malakhov over Berard 100 times out of 100.

- He played 100 more NHL games.
- Just from watching them, he was merely "bad" defensively, while they needed to create new words to describe Berard defensively
- Berard is slightly better offensively: 0.33 to 0.29 APPG at ES, and 0.31 to 0.25 on the PP. On the other hand, 38% of Malakhov's career was played after age 30, when Berard retired. As of the end of the 1999 season, Malakhov's averages were both .36 and .33. On the other hand those averages were based on 160 fewer games than Berard played, plus, he jumped right in at 24 and had no "feeling out period", Berard did, but put up points right away anyway. They are close but Berard has a slight edge there.
- Malakhov was surprisingly relied on for a lot of PK time: 39% as opposed to Berard's 16%
- Malakhov is in the top-250 all-time with an adjusted +87. Berard is in the bottom-250 all-time with an adjusted -61.
- Malakhov played an average of 22.28 minutes per game for teams that were pretty much average (1.01 GF/GA ratio). Berard averaged 21.27 for poor teams (0.91). At even strength, they averaged 16.01 and 15.97. (at first glance that makes them look close to even at even strength, but Malakhov did it for better teams, well into his 30s)
- 75 to 20 games playoff experience, plus a cup for Malakhov.
- Berard was big, Malakhov was even bigger (+2 inches, 10 lbs)


would you put Malakhov ahead of Tallon or Maloney on the 1st PP wave?

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- Malakhov is in the top-250 all-time with an adjusted +87. Berard is in the bottom-250 all-time with an adjusted -61.
The rest of your points are valid, but at this point it's just irresponsible to use career adjusted plus minus this way. Part of the reason Malahkov had a great adjusted plus/minus is likely that he saw a lot of sheltered minutes with better defensemen taking the tougher matchups, while Berard couldn't be as sheltered as his teams sucked.

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By the way, I liked the Burridge pick, too. It was really close between he and Tucker. Their offensive, PP, PK numbers are mind-bogglingly similar. Here's why I took Tucker:

- They were similar types of players, but I think Tucker was more infuriating to play against.
- Tucker did it for 200+ more games.
- Tucker is legitimately a 3-position player, which can be useful. Burridge is "just" a LW.

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cammalleri never played center for Montreal.
He is listed as a C for 2010 by hockey-reference.


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26% of penalties killed, at a rate 10% better than the league average, is really good for a winger available now, particularly one with decent offense.

(isn't Cooke's real value as an agitator, though?)

Just saw you took Tippett. EVEN BETTER PKer. 38%, and 12% better than the average. Good selke record for available players, too. Provided less offense than Erixon (since Erixon seems to be the MLD "hands of stone" gold standard now )

If I didn't get Erixon, I'd have waited and taken Tippett mid-draft. I am pretty sure that based on pure defensive ability, he's top-10 among forwards and he'd have been an early MLD pick for me.
Tipett is definitely a better PKer than Cooke. But we liked the look of a Cooke - Patey - McKay line at even strength - though it would be extra annoying to play against.

Now we have the option of playing either of them there.

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The rest of your points are valid, but at this point it's just irresponsible to use career adjusted plus minus this way. Part of the reason Malahkov had a great adjusted plus/minus is likely that he saw a lot of sheltered minutes with better defensemen taking the tougher matchups, while Berard couldn't be as sheltered as his teams sucked.
...but their icetime indicates that they were equally sheltered. There's no indication Berard ever took the tougher matchups, either.

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He is listed as a C for 2010 by hockey-reference.
I guess they are right then.

Not like I saw something like 82 games + 3 playoff round

I didn't even recall him playing C for one single game.

He's already one of the most atrocious defensive/physical/hockey sense player I've ever seen , if we had to endure that at center I would have commit suicide during a game.

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He is listed as a C for 2010 by hockey-reference.
He never did. He played LW and RW.

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I guess they are right then.

Not like I saw something like 82 games + 3 playoff round

I didn't even recall him playing C for one single game.

He's already one of the most atrocious defensive/physical/hockey sense player I've ever seen , if we had to endure that at center I would have commit suicide during a game.
This.

Only when the regular center was ushered out.


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...but their icetime indicates that they were equally sheltered. There's no indication Berard ever took the tougher matchups, either.
Sheltered by who? Who were the good off-ice comparables for Berard?

Malahkov was generally used as a "second pairing" guy over his career, I'm pretty sure (and third pairing in his brief time in NJ).

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Philadelphia completes their starting lineup with the selection of LW Gary Leeman
Why does Leeman keep getting selected? He's a thoroughly mediocre player who exploded for 50 goals in a season when, if it wasn't for Quebec being so bad defensively, Toronto had a real shot at leading the league in both GF and GA thanks to their run and gun style that even transcended the league at the time. He was bad defensively and that team at that moment in time fit him perfectly and resulted in two good offensive seasons that he never approached again.

He's also a RW, not left.

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would you put Malakhov ahead of Tallon or Maloney on the 1st PP wave?
Yes, both. Particularly Maloney.

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I guess they are right then.

Not like I saw something like 82 games + 3 playoff round and saw him as a winger
Not saying you're wrong, just saying where I got it from.

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