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08-01-2011, 02:34 PM
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We get first dibs right?

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Can he play RD? If he can I'd pick him up, otherwise I think I'd pass.

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Totally disagree, it was fairly obvious Grabner would be a top six forward in the league. He already recorded an NHL hat trick before he was waived. The panthers waived him because he didn't have a good training camp. If the oilers did what the panthers did Peckham would have been waived. It was a dumb move plain and simple and the oilers and leafs weres stupid to pass on him in waivers as well.
Before last season it was OBVIOUS that Grabner was going to be a top-6 forward at the beginning of last season when he was waived by the Panthers? That's a flat out lie, Grabner was given a gift opportunity and made the most of his, but he was just as close to being a KHLer as an NHLer at the beginning of last season.

Seriously, some of you need to ignore hindsight when you're evaluating situations.

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08-01-2011, 03:33 PM
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Well, you're wrong. He's on the slow side but he's not awful, you must have heard from people who didn't watch him play. He's not a world beater but he's a lot better than Sutton, i can tell you that much.
He's not better then Sutton. I don't think many of you realize how bad the Devils' blueline was last season.

When Andy Greene is your #1, you're a BAD defense.

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08-01-2011, 03:44 PM
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Last that I saw of him on the Isles, he's not the same player anymore, he's about ready for pasture IMO.
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I've heard a few Isles fans say that Hunter just isn't the player he was a few years ago and they were quite relieved to see him traded.
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Not worth it. 2 years 2mil left on his deal. I'd give him one year at around 700k no more. Too injury prone to be taking a 2 year risk on.
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Doubt it. He's signed for another year! Stick a fork in his career.
I've heard the same things, thought he only had one year left on his contract and would be a decent project. For two years, I'd have to agree that he's not worth it.

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08-01-2011, 04:54 PM
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White is LH shot so are Whitney, Smid, Peckham, Chorney, Sutton and Barker.
We would need to clear some bodies before adding another LH Dman.

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08-01-2011, 06:00 PM
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Colin White is what the Oilers need. A defensive defenseman who is responsible in his own end. Surprised he is on waivers. Devils' fans are pissed.

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08-01-2011, 06:08 PM
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^so the fans are pissed, so what? NJ management says he can't play for them anymore, so why should the Oilers take him? at $3 mil? forget it. fact is we really don't NEED him.

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08-01-2011, 06:26 PM
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I'm more concerned about the contract spot than the $3 mill for one season. And the fact that he is a LHer. If he CAN play the right side though, I'll be disappointed when we pass on him.

Actually, scratch that. Unless they believe the roster spot would become an issue, I'd grab White.

This is the shutdown guy we need. We aren't going to get a better one without giving up something significant.


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08-01-2011, 06:44 PM
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Totally disagree, it was fairly obvious Grabner would be a top six forward in the league. He already recorded an NHL hat trick before he was waived. The panthers waived him because he didn't have a good training camp. If the oilers did what the panthers did Peckham would have been waived. It was a dumb move plain and simple and the oilers and leafs weres stupid to pass on him in waivers as well.
I live out east, and from what I've seen 90% of Grabner was Tavares.

A good example of what Grabner does on his own would be comparing what Kevin Stevens could do without Mario Lemieux.



Anyways, I've got mixxed feelings about White. I think it's like adding more of what we already have a lot of.

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08-01-2011, 06:48 PM
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I live out east, and from what I've seen 90% of Grabner was Tavares.

A good example of what Grabner does on his own would be comparing what Kevin Stevens could do without Mario Lemieux.
Grabner didn't even play with Tavares. PA Parenteau and Matt Moulson play with him. Grabner was playing with Neilson and Comeau.

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08-01-2011, 06:57 PM
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I live out east, and from what I've seen 90% of Grabner was Tavares.

A good example of what Grabner does on his own would be comparing what Kevin Stevens could do without Mario Lemieux.
isn't that true with most star players though? they get all the credit for making the players they play with good or great without said players getting any credit for developing into good or great players on their own. not all cases, Gretzky played with a journeyman winger named Blair McDonald, who had only marginal talent, but his 1st year beside Gretzky, he scored 46 goals, then never came close again when he was removed from Gretzky's line and was traded. when Jari Kurri came along, Gretzky made him into a 100 point winger, but after Gretz was traded from the Oilers, Kurri still had 2 seasons of 102 and 93 points before being traded to LA. so sometimes the players who play with the star players have legit talent of their own.


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08-01-2011, 07:28 PM
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Part of the Sutton deal was moving Foster. Maybe NJ didn't want him?
Foster makes $1.8M. White makes $3M. If they didn't want him on the roster, it would've cost them a whole lot less to buy him out than it would to do the same with White.

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08-01-2011, 08:08 PM
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I don't understand how people are comparing White to players like Foster and Sutton. This guy is an elite shutdown defenseman, and I'm not exaggerating that at all. This move is probably an even bigger shock than Florida waiving Grabner so there is obviously something behind the scenes here. There is no way the Devils would keep Salvador over White.

Plus, White would be a pretty good mentor coming from an organization like New Jersey. At 3M per, 1 more year there is no risk at all just like Barker.

EDIT - And he could have some serious value at the deadline to a contender.


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08-01-2011, 09:00 PM
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Don't see how the Oilers can pass up on taking Colin White.

That being said, they probably will.

Unless there's a serious injury nobody's talking about, White would be at worst the Oilers' third best defenceman. More likely though, he would be the Oilers' top shutdown defenceman.

He's lost a step, but he's still got value - and could be flipped at the trade deadline.

Devils fans are pissed.

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08-01-2011, 09:05 PM
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I get the feeling that the Oilers want to use all of the "open" spaces on their defence for the young guys.

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08-01-2011, 09:38 PM
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I think we should pick him up. This from Lowetide:

White's defensive stats aren't bad at all considering his age:
Qual Comp: top pairing
Qual Team: top pairing
CorsiRel: 6th of 8 NJD D
Plus minus: -2 (expected -6)
Zone Start: toughest on team
Zone Finish: +1.5 (2nd best on team)

http://lowetide.blogspot.com/2011/08...n-waivers.html

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08-01-2011, 09:41 PM
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For anyone thinking the Oilers are going to claim White, be prepared to be disappointed. White has been offered around the league since the end of the season, no teams wanted to trade for him.
I seen some Devils fans mentioning he has a NTC and may have refused to waive it for a trade. If true this might be the Devils way of getting around the no trade as it is not a no movement. I remember the Blue Jackets did that with Todd Marchant when he refused to waive.

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08-01-2011, 09:44 PM
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A couple of years ago I would say right away snap him up. Now just don't know.

If he's the difference between picking at #5 or #10, do you really care? Can't see him hurting the team but is he going to help us enough to make it worthwhile?

Otherwise there are young d-men we could be developing.

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08-01-2011, 09:50 PM
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NJD is one of the few teams that might have a worse defense than we do. Why would we want someone they just bought out? Hell no to Colin White and hell no to Trent Hunter.

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If we picked him up even to try to trade him at the deadline, wouldn't he need to clear waivers again? Just what i thought, but can anyone confirm?

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I'd take a flyer on him

sadly, the Oilers brass won't

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08-01-2011, 10:29 PM
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I'd take a flyer on him

hopefully, the Oilers brass won't
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NJD is one of the few teams that might have a worse defense than we do. Why would we want someone they just bought out? Hell no to Colin White and hell no to Trent Hunter.
What does New Jersey's horrible defense have anything to do with how good Colin White is? That's like saying Ryan Whitney sucks because the Oilers defense sucks.


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^^ right on!

but i still don't want White or Hunter.

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