Boyes for Hudler straight up? Man I think Holland would be all over that. I'm not sure what Buffalo's needs are but we'd be getting a former 40 & 30 goal scorer. My only concern would be taking on Boyes' cap hit w/out sending a larger contract back. So Hudler would probably work out just fine. I just really don't know if the Sabres have any interest in him.
Well, I didn't necessarily mean to suggest that we trade Hudler to Buffalo. They're looking to shed salary, so they probably wouldn't want a underachiever that's only making $1.15m less than Boyes. They'd probably want a prospect/draft picks. I just meant that we'd probably unload Hudler (to another team) and replace him on the roster with Boyes.
OK, that makes sense. I wouldn't want that Boyes contract without being able to trim some salary as it would give the team less flexibility. If you can do that then I agree he'd be someone who could fill a top 6 spot.
Some people are seriously underating Hudler's value in here.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa... just slow your roll there, buddy. EVERYONE knows Hudler is a useless pile of garbage, and anyone who comments to the contrary will be subject to death by wet noodle*.
* In this instance, "wet noodle" is defined as "futilely arguing the counter-point and ending up smashing your head repeatedly against a brick wall because it's more productive."
Boyes.... a guy who averages 25 goals a year, and who has put up as many as 43, but as few as 14. The upside is intriguing, but the inconsistency is very unattractive. Seems like the kinda guy who you would want a lot of (inside/scouting) info on before deciding whether to pursue him. Just seems like there's stuff going on with the guy that we may not be privy to, given his ups and downs. But if the Wings were confident he could be a 30-30 guy in Detroit, I'd be in favor.
Sign Steve Bernier to a bargain bin contract, finally be able to unleash his true potential as he turns into a Cleary/Holmstrom/Bertuzzi hybrid, job is done.
I'd trade Hudler and either a 3rd or a 4th for Boyes, he's a pretty good sniper but not consistent. IMO he's better overall player then Hudler and would probably do well with a good playmaking center or winger ( Z & D or even Fil). I haven't seen much of Boyes lately but I think he can play center and wing, not sure though.
Boyes.... a guy who averages 25 goals a year, and who has put up as many as 43, but as few as 14. The upside is intriguing, but the inconsistency is very unattractive. Seems like the kinda guy who you would want a lot of (inside/scouting) info on before deciding whether to pursue him. Just seems like there's stuff going on with the guy that we may not be privy to, given his ups and downs. But if the Wings were confident he could be a 30-30 guy in Detroit, I'd be in favor.
I agree. I won't claim to know anything about his defensive game, but just the fact that I know he has a great shot, is good in front of the net and sometimes like to lay guys out is enough for me to want him over Hudler. I mean, he put up 43 and 33 goals playing for St. Louis, that's pretty impressive. I also like that he's in the last year of that $4m contract, if he doesn't work out it's not a the end of the world.
OK, I'm done. Wait for Semin and then complain about how bad Ken Holland is as a GM when it doesn't happen. I enjoy conversing with Wings fans on this board but with a few people it's just pointless. Wolski has been a 3x 20 goal scorer. Hudler's done it once. Wolski has been a top 6 forward his entire career, while Hudler's been a 3rd liner. Wolski has twice been traded for NHL players, while most of us realize we'd be lucky to get a mid-round draft pick for Hudler.
So we might be able to sign Wolski for nothing due to poor cap management by the Rags. Like I said I don't think the odds are good that it will happen. He's just a guy who fits in the discussion. I fully understand you want Semin and can't consider acquiring anyone other than Semin as being a success.
You know I wish Wolski was in this position next year when maybe Homer & Bert come off
I don't think you'll see any playoff teams shipping off their UFA's, but a guy like Doan would be a great addition to our team come Spring (if the Yotes are out of it).
I don't think you'll see any playoff teams shipping off their UFA's, but a guy like Doan would be a great addition to our team come Spring (if the Yotes are out of it).
Big leap here, but I think Phoenix will in fact be "out of it" some time around January.
Doan will be available, but he's a lifer with the organization, so its tough to predict whether he actually would go anywhere (under the assumption that he has some form of a NMC).
He'd be a great mid-season addition to the Top6, no question. But I wouldnt trade anything for him outside of Hudler and a draft pick seeing as he is 34/35 and a UFA at year's end. Maybe a conditional pick if he resigns with the Wings before "such-and-such" date.
I don't think you'll see any playoff teams shipping off their UFA's, but a guy like Doan would be a great addition to our team come Spring (if the Yotes are out of it).
That's true. You have to wonder what the cost would be though. Doan was pretty solid in the playoffs. No doubt Hemsky would be intriguing too. Another thing to keep in mind is the defense. If there's an option to get a guy who could potentially be signed long term that's worth considering.
That's true. You have to wonder what the cost would be though. Doan was pretty solid in the playoffs. No doubt Hemsky would be intriguing too. Another thing to keep in mind is the defense. If there's an option to get a guy who could potentially be signed long term that's worth considering.
What stinks is that a lot of these quality UFA's are in our conference or even division (Prospal, too).
I wonder how willing a GM would be to help a rival in a long playoff run.
If Nashville, for whatever reason, didn't make the playoffs, I'd love to add Suter.
But the Preds are always solid and will no doubt make the postseason again so that's a pipe dream.
But if the Wings only had to give up a Hudler and a pick for a Doan or Hemsky, that would be great.
Homer and Tuzzi are propably gonna retire after next season so we'll certainly need some new offense for 2012-13. Now I'd love to see Semin in Detroit... I trust that Ken will try to get the best players available, but I'm a little doubtful on Semin going to Red Wings.
I'm going to throw a name out there that hasn't been discussed: Milan Michalek.
His value is probably relatively low right now and the Senators aren't going to be contending any time soon... I know Murray said last year that he's open to trading anyone other than Karlsson and Alfredsson. Michalek was good for about 25 goals a year when he was in San Jose. Even with down years his last two seasons, he scored 22 and 18 goals in 66 games. I remember in '08-09 when the Sharks were playing insane hockey, a lot of SJ fans credited their success to Michalek's overall play.
He's still young at 26 years old, he's 6'2", 225 lbs, fast as hell, and has a cap hit of $4.3 million. His cap hit is a bit high but I think he has 70+ point potential.
I’ve liked Milan for ages and I’ve been keeping an eye on his progress for years. His history of knee injuries are a concern though as he seems to have lost a bit of an edge and he’s very inconsistent. His cap hit is a bit high but he does have legitimate 1st line upside as a 30+ goal scorer. I’d be interested, but maybe wait until he is a UFA before going after him.
