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07-18-2011, 11:47 AM
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You can teach a tough player how to fight, but you can't teach a player how to be tough.
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07-18-2011, 11:59 AM
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Get his stick away Deaner!!!

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07-19-2011, 09:27 PM
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You can try?

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07-19-2011, 09:54 PM
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As a kid, I remember going to Sault Greyhound practices and at the end there were always a few guys who would work on the grappling and positioning together, I remember one instance Ted Nolan was showing a few guys how to lock your elbow and push for the high grip with lefties. it was very interesting. I have also read articles how Prbert would work out with boxers for conditioning and technique, focusing on the standup approach versus the leaning vulnerable stance. But as we are aware there has been so much evolution in fighting, MMA, judo ect., there are so many influences in styles nowadays, personally I prefer the "staged" scrap versus the reaction as the technique and measuring prior is usually as exciting as the tap tap grab and roll.

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07-19-2011, 11:35 PM
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There is a Youtube video of Eric Bolton teaching coburn how to fight. Pretty sure it was after he was dropped in his first by Rupp.
He since is decent or can atleast hold his own.
Since then he has a loss to Owen Nolan and wins against Malone and Boyle off the top of my head.

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07-19-2011, 11:41 PM
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No question you can teach a player how to fight, but as others have said, you can't teach toughness.

Some players truly lack the ability to take a hit, or to take a punch. Being in a fight, you need to be willing to take a punch, or be the greatest fighter of all time and never get punched...

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07-20-2011, 01:28 AM
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McGrattan was not much of a scrapper before Bonvie showed him the ropes. He became a top 5 enforcer for several years.

http://www.canada.com/victoriatimesc...13d705&k=93153

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07-20-2011, 09:23 AM
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It's just like fighting IRL. There is an threshold (aka feared of taking a punch) you need to pass by before you are able to fight properly. Some people are born with it and other need to take a beating or two before realizing that it doesn't hurt as bad as they thought.

Technique is obviously something you'll have to learn but other than that it's all in the head.


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07-20-2011, 10:09 AM
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I agree. I think Stortini simply doesn't want to take a punch in the face. You either have the mentality that you don't mind taking a punch to land a punch or you don't.
I agree this is one of the main if not the main difference between a lot of fighters. Their are many guys out there who do not have the best technique but have no problem taking a punch. Not that this was the case but a perfect example was Probert. He would take 3-5 punches just to land his one and that one would be the beginning of the end.

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07-20-2011, 01:10 PM
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Absolutely, just ask Alex Semin.

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07-20-2011, 01:18 PM
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I remember Hollweg and Orr were trying to teach Dubinsky how to fight when he first came in with the Rangers.

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07-20-2011, 04:54 PM
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I remember Hollweg and Orr were trying to teach Dubinsky how to fight when he first came in with the Rangers.
Orr was teaching him how to punch and Hollweg was working on the turtling/stabbing techniques?

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07-20-2011, 05:15 PM
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In Oil Change this year they showed Steve Mcintyre teaching Ryan O'Mara to fight

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You can try?
i feel kid of dumb asking, but that is Seguin being tutored by Thornton.....right?

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Yes you most certainly can.

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Maybe it's better to teach a fighter how to play...

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i feel kid of dumb asking, but that is Seguin being tutored by Thornton.....right?
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07-23-2011, 10:32 AM
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There is a Youtube video of Eric Bolton teaching coburn how to fight.
Shouldn't Bolton learn himself first?

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You can try?
I'd rather not have Seguin fight.

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07-24-2011, 07:31 AM
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There is a Youtube video of Eric Bolton teaching coburn how to fight. Pretty sure it was after he was dropped in his first by Rupp.
He since is decent or can atleast hold his own.
Since then he has a loss to Owen Nolan and wins against Malone and Boyle off the top of my head.
How does Eric Boulton feel that Michael Bolton's brother is with the team seeing as they appear to have similar names?

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08-02-2011, 02:24 PM
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Your ability to take a punch isn't acquired over an off-season. Most normal men would be knocked out cold by some of the shots middleweights take over the season.

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08-02-2011, 02:42 PM
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It's possible to help someone become a better fighter if that's what your asking.

you can train to develop better balance and more strength as well as work on your technique. That would make someone a better fighter.

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08-02-2011, 05:55 PM
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If u can teach someone how to box then u can teach em on to fight...

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08-02-2011, 06:30 PM
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I learned how to fight in Jr. lacrosse, basically the same strategy. My first 4/5 fights were boring wrestling matches or losses, i dedicated about a 1/4 of each practice learning how to engage and control fights. You need a mentor and practice time to develop some fundamentals. By the time my senior years came I never lost a fight, and could at least tie up some of the bigger guys out my weight class. Natural aggression and toughness is what separates the designated tough guys from the players willing to step up or defend a teammate. But to an extent, anyone can learn to be an effective fighter at a professional level.
Who did you play for?

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08-02-2011, 08:09 PM
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I'd rather not have Seguin fight.
I don't think the idea was to get Seguin to start fighting. I think Thornton is teaching him this in case there's ever a line brawl and Seguin gets paired off with someone, that he'll be able to protect himself.

Have to imagine that fighting on the ice is a hell of a lot different than fighting on normal ground.

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