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08-03-2011, 02:26 PM
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I def think my proposal is better than this one

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Staal +Letang for Weber, Wilson, Ellis and thats Nashville possibly giving too much
Don't think thats going to happen... counter offer.

Nashville: Jordan Staal, Simon Despres, Eric Tangradi

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Horrific trade for the trade Preds. Tangradi and Letestu do not compensate the difference between Weber and Martin.

EDIT: I wouldn't even consider it if the centre piece was Martin.

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So it looks like the arbitrator awarded Shea Weber 3+ million more than the preds were looking to pay. If the pred's aren't or can't pay out that much to him and look into moving him how about.
You've misunderstood the arbitration process. The sub $5M is the amount submitted to the arbiter and doesn't necessarily relate to negotiations with Weber. Rumors have pointed to Poile offering a $7M/yr for 5 years deal. $7.5M would hardly break the bank. The issue doesn't appear to be money but rather the deal term.

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Of course you do... anyway I'd totally trade you that "Stall" guy you were talking about!

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Pens say no for many reasons.

1. We don't need Weber.

2. We're not going to trade Martin 1 year after we signed him.

3. We need to keep guys like Letestu and Tangradi for the fututre. Letestu is a great bottom 6 center, good at faceoffs and can add 15 goals or so a season. Tangradi is a future top 6 winger and with Kunitz, Neal, Sullivan and Tangradi being free agents after this year, we may decide to give Tangradi a spot.

Nashville also says no because Weber is their captain and franchise defenseman. Also, Martin, Letestu and Tangradi are not enough for Weber. Basically Pittsburgh would have to give up players they don't want to give up for Weber.

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Of course you do... anyway I'd totally trade you that "Stall" guy you were talking about!
wait your argument is that he spelled Staal wrong one time hahaah wow.

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Actually hell no... There is only one person in this entire league that I would trade Malkin for and that is Crosby.
I'm sorry but you put Ovechkin on Crosby's wing and the other team might as well just put the Goalie on the bench and forfeit.

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Of course you do... anyway I'd totally trade you that "Stall" guy you were talking about!
haha and you think your proposal is good?

OMG i spelled Staal with 2 l's instead of 1. That must mean i know nothing right? get outta here, dont be such a prude man.

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You've misunderstood the arbitration process. The sub $5M is the amount submitted to the arbiter and doesn't necessarily relate to negotiations with Weber. Rumors have pointed to Poile offering a $7M/yr for 5 years deal. $7.5M would hardly break the bank.
WTF... thats a head scratcher, can you elaborate?

I though both sides going into negotiations with a new number presented to the play one from the organization and one from the player and his agent and the arbiter looks at both cases / $$$ numbers and takes into account the play / health etc. of the player and makes a "fair" ruling that both parties accept before heading into arbitration?!

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haha and you think your proposal is good?

OMG i spelled Staal with 2 l's instead of 1. That must mean i know nothing right? get outta here, dont be such a prude man.
NO I WILL NOT MAKE OUT WITH YOU... i'll continue to be a "prude man" in that case.

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wait your argument is that he spelled Staal wrong one time hahaah wow.
No I was busting his balls calm down...

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NO I WILL NOT MAKE OUT WITH YOU... i'll continue to be a "prude man" in that case.
haha Billy Madison quote? you do what you do man, its Hf. Nothing I can do about it.

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WTF... thats a head scratcher, can you elaborate?

I though both sides going into negotiations with a new number presented to the play one from the organization and one from the player and his agent and the arbiter looks at both cases / $$$ numbers and takes into account the play / health etc. of the player and makes a "fair" ruling that both parties accept before heading into arbitration?!
I think he means the organization didn't seriously think 4.5M was a fair number. They just submitted that to the arbiter and hoped that when the arbiter met in the middle of the two numbers presented, it would still be a favorable number for Nashville.

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No I was busting his balls calm down...
I'm Calm, Your just a idiot. Now i leave this thread. Preds and Pens aren't good trading partners that i now realize.

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I'm Calm, Your just a idiot. Now i leave this thread. Preds and Pens aren't good trading partners that i now realize.
And I'm the idiot!?!? Mannnn, that is RICH!

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why cant we all be friends

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WTF... thats a head scratcher, can you elaborate?

I though both sides going into negotiations with a new number presented to the play one from the organization and one from the player and his agent and the arbiter looks at both cases / $$$ numbers and takes into account the play / health etc. of the player and makes a "fair" ruling that both parties accept before heading into arbitration?!
I'd have to defer to someone more familiar than I on the process, but I don't think that's how it happens. To my understanding, there doesn't have to be, and often isn't, any relation between the amount submitted to the arbiter and the actual salary figures discussed in negotiations.

Thinking about it realistically, how would Poile ever think that less than $5M is fair? If he's truly offering a modest, almost cost of living adjustment increase to Weber, he's got no interest in maintaining the relationship beyond the RFA period.

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We cool, no hostility, just talking back and fourth!

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I think he means the organization didn't seriously think 4.5M was a fair number. They just submitted that to the arbiter and hoped that when the arbiter met in the middle of the two numbers presented, it would still be a favorable number for Nashville.
Exactly, he low-balled webber in order to try to bring his $$$ numbers down. Just like I said... now I am even more confused...

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We cool, no hostility, just talking back and fourth!
lol good deal. sometimes people take debating too far and i dont like the feeling of rudeness towards another. I got an infraction yesterday for getting in a heated argument but me and the other guy talked it out through messages. Feels a lot better.

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Exactly, he low-balled webber in order to try to bring his $$$ numbers down. Just like I said... now I am even more confused...
He's saying that before the case went to arbitration, Nashville was never seriously trying to get Weber to agree to 4.5M, that's just the number they threw out to the arbiter.

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Holy thread derailment, Batman!

The original offer is a joke. The Staal and Letang offer I saw up there wasn't terrible, but Nashville needs to take Ellis or Wilson out of it.

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