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08-04-2011, 01:46 PM
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Kill the messenger if you like, but there seems to be a very large consensus that Larsson is a stud.

What, Tarasenko is rated over McIlraith?

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24 replies, really? You McIlrath haters are slipping!

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08-04-2011, 01:47 PM
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Grant Sonier is a long time NHL scout. He was recently with Atlanta and wasn't retained with the move to Winnipeg. Nobody was retained by Winnipeg. Sonier has scouted for LA,Boston and Florida. This is Sonier's list. Players he has seen.

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08-04-2011, 01:50 PM
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Sonier wrote Tarasenko has the talent to play in the NHL IF he wants to make the move across the pond. No one has ever doubted Tarasenko's ability.

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08-04-2011, 01:55 PM
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24 replies, really? You McIlrath haters are slipping!
LOL nobody wants to see McIlraith rated highly on lists like this more than I do!

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08-04-2011, 02:07 PM
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I think it has 8/10 players on it from this years draft

Also did you watch the World Championships? He was a beast against some of the best players in the World. I have no doubt that he belongs atleast in the top 15 of all NHL Prospects.
Yeah he looks good sometimes (though notably more often against the weaker teams) and other times he looks unsure of himself. He needs to get some swagger and confidence and consistently apply his talents.

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It bugs me that Larrson is already the #4 prospect in all of hockey. Only the Devs get rewarded perfectly for semi-awful season by winning the draft lottery and picking exactly what they were lacking in their organization. Ridiculous.
ehh, I get the feeling that Larsson is a little overrated, but will be a very good player. Not really sure he's that "franchise" level defender, but that doesn't mean he can't be an excellent player either.

Also interesting that this is a former scouts list...lends some more weight to it to some degree (I just figured at first it was some random sports writer). Of course scouts can be wrong but we'll see. Again, Kreider has to show he's not just a bundle of unrealized potential

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08-04-2011, 02:11 PM
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McIlrath will never be on a list like this. He isn't flashy enough.

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08-04-2011, 02:15 PM
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Not really surprising. Kreider is one of those guys that will either be highly rated by someone because of his perceived potential, or lowly rated due to his mediocre production.

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08-04-2011, 02:17 PM
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No way he's 10. He's not even 20. Just off the top of my head, players that are better ...

RNH
Jonathan Huberdeau
Gabriel Laneskog
Adam Larsson
Mikael Granlund
Vladimir Tarasenko
Evgeny Kuznetsov
Braydenn Schenn
Nazem Kadri
David Rundblad
Ryan Johansen
Brett Connolly
Erik Gudbranson
Ryan Murphy
Jaden Schwartz
Dougie Hamilton
Jack Campbell
Jacob Markstrom
Jonathan Bernier
Brandon Gormley

Then there are the questionables...
Sean Couturier
Ryan Strome
Mattias Tedenby
Jacob Josefson
Mika Zibanejad
Mark Schiefele
Cody Hodgson
Nick Leddy
Brendan Smith
Derek Forbort
Nino Niederrieter
Travis Hamonic
Jared Cowen
Jonathan Blum
Nikita Filatov
Tomas Tatar

The second group is where Kreider belongs.

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08-04-2011, 02:31 PM
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No way he's 10. He's not even 20. Just off the top of my head, players that are better ...

RNH
Jonathan Huberdeau
Gabriel Laneskog
Adam Larsson
Mikael Granlund
Vladimir Tarasenko
Evgeny Kuznetsov
Braydenn Schenn
Nazem Kadri
David Rundblad
Ryan Johansen
Brett Connolly
Erik Gudbranson
Ryan Murphy
Jaden Schwartz
Dougie Hamilton
Jack Campbell
Jacob Markstrom
Jonathan Bernier
Brandon Gormley

Then there are the questionables...
Sean Couturier
Ryan Strome
Mattias Tedenby
Jacob Josefson
Mika Zibanejad
Mark Schiefele
Cody Hodgson
Nick Leddy
Brendan Smith
Derek Forbort
Nino Niederrieter
Travis Hamonic
Jared Cowen
Jonathan Blum
Nikita Filatov
Tomas Tatar

The second group is where Kreider belongs.
Ladies and gents, your 2011 NHL prospects. The worst assembly of prospects in hockey history!

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08-04-2011, 02:34 PM
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Ladies and gents, your 2011 NHL prospects. The worst assembly of prospects in hockey history!
What makes you say that?

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What makes you say that?
I'm an expert.

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McIlrath will never be on a list like this. He isn't flashy enough.
Agree with that and some people should at least try to get over it.

As for Kreider--I consider him our best prospect. The stats haven't been as high as a lot of us would want. His overall game has come around and he's still a beast as far as size, skating and just general overall dynamics.

OTOH both the scouting staff and the coaching staff wanted him last year. Couple that with his playing really well in WJC tournaments and college playoff type atmosphere and two trips to the World Championships. He's going to be a player--maybe not a first line player.

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Not really surprising. Kreider is one of those guys that will either be highly rated by someone because of his perceived potential, or lowly rated due to his mediocre production.
He was 19 last year, and an underclassman on a stacked team full of prominent upperclassmen.

This "mediocre" production thing is uninformed.

What was his production like in big game situations and the WJC? Right.

He will be a Junior this year, an upperclassman, he will be the go-to guy.

Let's see how he produces this year.

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He was 19 last year, and an underclassman on a stacked team full of prominent upperclassmen.

This "mediocre" production thing is uninformed.

What was his production like in big game situations and the WJC? Right.

He will be a Junior this year, an upperclassman, he will be the go-to guy.

Let's see how he produces this year.
I'm talking strictly NCAA production, relative to other highly-regarded prospects. In that sense, it was mediocre.

I'm a Kreider fan, and I understand the reasons why he didn't play more and score more at BC last year. You don't need to convince me.

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08-04-2011, 03:48 PM
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I'm talking strictly NCAA production, relative to other highly-regarded prospects. In that sense, it was mediocre.

I'm a Kreider fan, and I understand the reasons why he didn't play more and score more at BC last year. You don't need to convince me.
This year is HUGE for his production. Jr. and Sr. years are key for that coach at BC. Or so I'm told. (I really have no idea) haha

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wait hold on a second ...i thought ESPN only covered HandEgg.

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Yeah, this list is a piece of ****. Missing some big names there.

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I'm too lazy and ignorant to look it up myself, but what kind of numbers did JVR put up in college? Similar to Kreider? Big guys take extra time to put it all together. He has the physical tools like JVR, he has lots of time to put it together.

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It bugs me that Larrson is already the #4 prospect in all of hockey. Only the Devs get rewarded perfectly for semi-awful season by winning the draft lottery and picking exactly what they were lacking in their organization. Ridiculous.
Yeah, that really irks me also the Devils got really lucky.

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Top-10 is too high. If he's truly a top-10 prospect in the NHL, then he's projected as a first liner or a top-end second liner who'll consistently score 60+ points. If that's the case, the Rangers will nearly certainly win the Cup sooner rather than later.

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I honestly don't think it's far fetched. I could care less about his production, I have seen what he can do in person on numerous occasions. When he is iced against the other top prospects in the NHL he looks just as good. USA hockey liked what they saw enough to invite him to the WC, and that really speaks volumes.

However, he is going to be getting a ton of ice time this season at BC, and he really should produce, a lot.

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I don't get it...I really like the potential Kreider has but until he proves he can consistently DO something with it...I just feel he's a bit overrated now.

His skating is beyond fantastic and he has a very good shot, but I just want to see more production out of him before I start thinking he's a top ranked prospect

That's kind of a weird list anyways
Yeah, I agree. He is certainly a great skater but I am not convinced he knows how to use his speed in a very effective manner. I also haven't seen many signs he is a natural goal scorer (despite having a heavy shot) or that he has good enough hockey sense, particularly in the offensive zone.

When an offensive prospect is the age of Kreider and playing in college hockey he should be producing and not just show their potential to be considered an elite prospect.

I hope I'm wrong of course.

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I'm too lazy and ignorant to look it up myself, but what kind of numbers did JVR put up in college? Similar to Kreider? Big guys take extra time to put it all together. He has the physical tools like JVR, he has lots of time to put it together.
Kreider has 50 points in 72 games so far.
Van Riemsdyk had 74 points in 67 games.

They were the same age when they entered college (JVR was one week younger).

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This may sound stupid but two things I see at college, one they play players based on seniority and do not match talent and chemisrty. The second point I'm about to make is the most glaring, he has played with players who do not maximize his skills. I think once he gets to the pros his game and skills will translate much better than at the college level.

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Kreider has 50 points in 72 games so far.
Van Riemsdyk had 74 points in 67 games.

They were the same age when they entered college (JVR was one week younger).
Thanks.

So you either say he isn't at the same level or JVR had different opportunities at his college.

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