2012 Offseason

Flyerfan808 · 08-04-2011, 03:16 PM

With things settling down this offseason I am already anticipating next summer:

We will have:

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) /
/ Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Andreas Nodl ($0.845m)
Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) /
Jody Shelley ($1.100m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m)

DEFENSEMEN
Chris Pronger ($4.921m) / Andreas Lilja ($0.737m)
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CARRY-OVER BONUS PENALTY: $1,402,500

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $68,300,000**; CAP PAYROLL: $53,020,595; BONUSES: $3,815,000
CAP SPACE (15-man roster): $21,286,071***

** = Estimated 4M dollar increase in salary cap for 2012-2013 season.
*** = Adjusted Cap Space, we will have no differed bonuses next season... correct me if I am wrong ($19,883,571 is the un-adjusted cap).

UFA's:

Matt Carle :: 3,437,500
Jaromir Jagr :: 3,300,000
Brayden Coburn :: 3,200,000
Michael Leighton :: 1,550,000
Ian Laperriere :: 1,166,667
Johan Backlund :: 800,000
Blair Betts :: 700,000
Dan Jancevski :: 525,000
Jason Bacashihua :: 525,000

RFA's:

Jakub Voracek :: 2,250,000
James Van Reimsdyk :: 1,654,166
Michael Testuwide :: 900,000
Andrew Rowe :: 900,000
Marc-Andre Bourdon :: 900,000
Jonas Lehtivuori :: 900,000
Kevin Marshall :: 845,833
Stephan Legein :: 816,667
Ben Holmstrom :: 750,000
Jon Kalinski :: 605,000
Tom Sestito :: 550,000

Total Contracts:

Current AUG 4, 2011 :: 51* (49... Lappy to LTIR, Marcel Noebels to CHL/Europe)
Projected JULY 1, 2012 :: 33

UFA's Available:

http://www.capgeek.com/free_agents.p...1&fa_type_id=2

RFA's Available:

http://www.capgeek.com/free_agents.p...1&fa_type_id=1

Our 2012 Draft Picks:

(1) 1st
(3) 2nd* Ours + Los Angeles' + Florida's (is conditional 2012 or 2013.)
(2) 3rd* Ours + Florida's (could become SJ's 3rd which they acquired.)
(1) 4th
(1) 5th
(1) 6th
(1) 7th

Create a plan for the 2012 Offseason. Include Depth Chart w/ Cap Hits. Detail any trades, including why you feel they are feasible.

Chris Shafer · 08-04-2011, 03:22 PM

The 2012 offseason is very simple:

A war of attrition to get Shea Weber or Ryan Suter in orange and black in place of Matt Carle.

That is the entire point of the 2012 offseason for us. We have forwards, we have goalies, and we need to address our defense making it younger and better.

EDIT: You can pretty much pencil vanRiemsdyk down for 3.75m/year unless he breaks 90+ points this season. I'm willing to bet money that he gets a Claude Giroux-esque contract.

Beef Invictus · 08-04-2011, 03:26 PM

My number one goal is to see Holmgren go an offseason without signing a Leighton, Shelley, or Lilja. I know he can do it...he only signed a Lilja this year, but signed both a Shelley and Leighton last year. That shows improvement.

Clown Baby · 08-04-2011, 03:28 PM

step 1: re-sign Leighton

OriginJM · 08-04-2011, 03:44 PM

Trade Giroux for Kadri and a 2nd.

Trade JvR and Gustaffson for Taylor Hall.

PhillyFlying · 08-04-2011, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clown Baby

step 1: re-sign Leighton

wrong.

step 1: dump jvr and giroux's salaries.
step 2: re-sign leighton.

Quote:

Originally Posted by OriginJM

Trade Giroux for Kadri and a 2nd.

Trade JvR and Gustaffson for Taylor Hall.

beat me to it.

Flyerfan808 · 08-04-2011, 03:45 PM

Does this sound about right?

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Andreas Nodl ($0.845m)
Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m)
Jody Shelley ($1.100m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / James Van Reimsdyk ($4.250m)
Jakub Voracek ($3.250m) /

DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Andreas Lilja ($0.737m)
Braydon Coburn ($4.200m) / Ryan Suter ($6.300m)
Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $68,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,013,929; BONUSES: $2,965,000
CAP SPACE (19-man roster): $3,286,071

3 players left to sign or bring up from the minors.

CptCannon · 08-04-2011, 03:46 PM

1) resign JvR
2) resign Coburn
3) resign Voracek

PhillyFlying · 08-04-2011, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyerfan808

Does this sound about right?

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Andreas Nodl ($0.845m)
Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m)
Jody Shelley ($1.100m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / James Van Reimsdyk ($4.250m)
Jakub Voracek ($3.250m) /

DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Andreas Lilja ($0.737m)
Braydon Coburn ($4.200m) / Ryan Suter ($6.300m)
Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $68,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,013,929; BONUSES: $2,965,000
CAP SPACE (19-man roster): $3,286,071

3 players left to sign or bring up from the minors.

i can only hope JVR has a season worthy of that contract.

Flyerfan808 · 08-04-2011, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhillyFlying

i can only hope JVR has a season worthy of that contract.

I thought 4.25M was pretty modest actually.

Protest · 08-04-2011, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhillyFlying

i can only hope JVR has a season worthy of that contract.

I'm gonna say he scores 29 goals and gets a $5m contract for 3 years, leaving him as an RFA at the end of the deal.

sobrien · 08-04-2011, 04:17 PM

It hurts my brain knowing that some of us are looking this far ahead when we don't even know what we have this season.

I want Weber just as much as everyone else, he's my favorite player. But it's a long shot, even next season...

Snotbubbles · 08-04-2011, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyerfan808

Does this sound about right?

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Andreas Nodl ($0.845m)
Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m)
Jody Shelley ($1.100m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / James Van Reimsdyk ($4.250m)
Jakub Voracek ($3.250m) /

DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Andreas Lilja ($0.737m)
Braydon Coburn ($4.200m) / Ryan Suter ($6.300m)
Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $68,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,013,929; BONUSES: $2,965,000
CAP SPACE (19-man roster): $3,286,071

3 players left to sign or bring up from the minors.

Once there is a CBA in place don't the bonuses come off the cap hits?

If they do won't Schenn's hit go to 1M and Bob's go to 900K?

Flyerfan808 · 08-04-2011, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sobrien

It hurts my brain knowing that some of us are looking this far ahead when we don't even know what we have this season.

I want Weber just as much as everyone else, he's my favorite player. But it's a long shot, even next season...

You're right alot can change between now and then.

Doesn't hurt to attempt though.

Flyerfan808 · 08-04-2011, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snotbubbles

Once there is a CBA in place don't the bonuses come off the cap hits?

If they do won't Schenn's hit go to 1M and Bob's go to 900K?

When does the new CBA take effect?

Chris Shafer · 08-04-2011, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snotbubbles

Once there is a CBA in place don't the bonuses come off the cap hits?

If they do won't Schenn's hit go to 1M and Bob's go to 900K?

Yep, and the most Couturier's could be is theoretically 900k as well assuming the rookie max stagnates with the new CBA.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyerfan808

When does the new CBA take effect?

It expires after this year.

EDIT:

Hartnell (4.20) - Schenn (0.90) - Briere (6.50)
vanRiemsdyk (3.75) - Giroux (3.75) - Voracek (3.75)
Simmonds (1.75) - Couturier (0.90) - Nodl (0.85)
Talbot (1.75) - Holmstrom (0.85) - Sestito (0.65)

Pronger (4.92) - Meszaros (4.00)
Timonen (6.33) - Coburn (3.20)
Suter/Weber (6.50) - Gustafsson (0.90)

Bryzgalov (5.67)
Bobrovsky (0.90)

TOTAL: 62.02m

We're even under the 2011-12 cap.

Flyerfan808 · 08-04-2011, 05:38 PM

^ If true that bonuses will not count against the cap:

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m)
Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m) / Andreas Nodl ($0.845m)
Jody Shelley ($1.100m) / Brayden Schenn ($0.900m) / James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m)
Jakub Voracek ($3.250m) / Sean Couturier ($0.900m) / Eric Wellwood ($0.580m)
????

DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Andreas Lilja ($0.737m)
Ryan Suter ($6.500m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.200m)
Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m)
Sergei Bobrovsky ($0.900m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $68,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,466,429; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $3,833,571

1 player left to sign.

tuckrr · 08-04-2011, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Shafer

The 2012 offseason is very simple:

A war of attrition to get Shea Weber or Ryan Suter in orange and black in place of Matt Carle.

That is the entire point of the 2012 offseason for us. We have forwards, we have goalies, and we need to address our defense making it younger and better.

EDIT: You can pretty much pencil vanRiemsdyk down for 3.75m/year unless he breaks 90+ points this season. I'm willing to bet money that he gets a Claude Giroux-esque contract.

hold on there...

if we get suter,
and if weber signs a 1 year deal with nash (so he can be a UFA in '13)

we could easily pull weber from UFA with kimmo/hartnell money
(and we have suter, so weber would want to join)

that'd be the goal.

King Forsberg · 08-04-2011, 07:04 PM

Yeah people don't forget Weber will be an RFA after this year

VanSciver · 08-04-2011, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snotbubbles

Once there is a CBA in place don't the bonuses come off the cap hits?

If they do won't Schenn's hit go to 1M and Bob's go to 900K?

Even with the bonus cushion in place, the bonuses do not come off the Cap hits. You can use the bonus cushion to be Cap compliant, but they don't come off until such point as it is apparent that the bonuses will not be earned during a League year.

o Hamhuis 2 x · 08-05-2011, 04:18 AM

Basically forget about Coburn and Carle and sign Weber AND Suter lol

Spongolium* · 08-05-2011, 04:25 AM

Weber at 7.5 is a considerable amount of money though

Flyerfan808 · 08-05-2011, 05:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VanSciver

Even with the bonus cushion in place, the bonuses do not come off the Cap hits. You can use the bonus cushion to be Cap compliant, but they don't come off until such point as it is apparent that the bonuses will not be earned during a League year.

So... Yes, bonuses count against the cap?
or... No, bonuses do not count against the cap?

Would you care to elaborate?

Flyerfan808 · 08-05-2011, 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by o Hamhuis 2 x

Basically forget about Coburn and Carle and sign Weber AND Suter lol

Weber is a RFA.
Suter is an UFA.

The chance we pick up both is small.

I know you're probably not serious anyway...

VanSciver · 08-05-2011, 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyerfan808

So... Yes, bonuses count against the cap?
or... No, bonuses do not count against the cap?

Would you care to elaborate?

Well first of all there's the misconception that a team has to be at or under the Upper Limit to be Cap compliant. That is not true. A team can go over the upper limit with LTIR or using the bonus cushion to stay cap compliant. Bonuses do count against the Cap, but a team can carry them over to the following Season if the bonus cushion is in effect for that Season, if the bonuses put a team over the Upper Limit. That is the technical explanation for how it works.

For the everyday jo schmo fan, you can look at it for practical purposes that because they can carry the bonuses over to the next year, that they don't count.