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10-22-2003, 06:52 AM
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IB's Power Rankings (10/23)

This is how I have all 30 teams ranked as of 10/22. The rankings are determined by taking into account each team's current record and current strength-of-schedule - it does *not* factor in the results of specific games...thus Anaheim's win over San Jose last night doesn't guarantee the Ducks will move ahead of the Sharks in the rankings.

(I also have a set of rankings that takes into account each team's remaining schedule but I don't consider it to be accurate until each team has played about 20 games....so I won't post those yet.)

I'll try to do this each week, eventually shifting to putting them up every Monday.

Through games of October 22:
1. Tampa Bay
2. Boston
3. Los Angeles
4. Detroit
5. Atlanta
6. Columbus
T7. Phoenix
T7. New Jersey
9. Montreal
10. Ottawa
11. Nashville
12. St. Louis
13. NY Islanders
14. Philadelphia
15. Vancouver
16. Dallas
17. Pittsburgh
18. Edmonton
19. Calgary
20. Toronto
21. Buffalo
22. Colorado
23. Florida
24. Chicago
25. NY Rangers
26. Washington
27. San Jose
28. Minnesota
29. Anaheim
30. Carolina

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I have a feeling this list will be dramatically different towards the end of the season. Crazy, just crazy, to see the likes of Atlanta, Columbus and Phoenix near the top.

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Though I'm a Tampa fan, I don't believe they are the best team in the league.

While they did outplay the Bruins and Coyotes, if not for Khabi TB would have lost to NJ and ATL. Well, Khabi and Brodeur traded remarkeable saves in the NJ game, but TB had no business winning the game vs. ATL last night.

ATL was VERY impressive and completely dominated TB from the 10 minute mark of the first period on. TB gets a couple PP goals from Stillman (watch out for the Stillman-Richards-St. Louis line this year, fantasy geeks) and Khabi was "unhuman" (Marc Savard's words) the rest of the game.

ATL was the better team last night. They play a very good team-oriented game. Very impressive. Nurminen is not spectacular, but very solid.

It could be that TB can do "just enough" to win games and have learned how to find a way to win in the last two years, but I'm not ready to say that just yet, despite late goals to beat NJ and ATL.

If you didn't look at the scoreboard last night, you'd think it was an ATL blowout.

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Not trying to burst your bubble, but how can Dallas, the leader in the West rank 16th?

I'm curious when Chris Degroat puts his powerrankings up, those were accurate and pretty darn sweet.

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Uhhh. I may not be the world's most knowledgeable hockey man, but something is rather askew about this list / ranking system. For one thing, based on record but not on game outcomes? For another, how in God's name could you rank Pittsburgh ahead of Edmonton and only one slot behind Dallas?


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Uhhh. I may not be the world's most knowledgeable hockey man, but something is rather askew about this list / ranking system. For one thing, based on record but not on game outcomes? For another, how in God's name could you rank Pittsburgh ahead of Edmonton and only one slot behind Dallas?

I agree. And, as much as it pains me, Detroit should be several spots lower.

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while i think colorado should be low, they definitely should be higher than buffalo...ick

Overall good job, though. THese lists are always hard to make.

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1. I have no idea how degroat does his rankings, but would be interested to see. (Mine were *very* accurate at predicting the playoff teams last season, especially after about 30 games.)
2. NOTE: OTL's are counted as a loss. (forgot to mention that)
3. Dallas is ranked low b/c their strength of schedule is last (.3784) in the league. They've gone 4-2 but their opponents have a combined 12-21-4. That counts. Pittsburgh gets a boost b/c their SOS is 1st in the league (13-7-2, .6364) which helps explain their 1-2-1 record. Edmonton is 3-3 but has a SOS of .4545 (14-17-2).
4. Tampa Bay is the only undefeated team left...so at this point in time they are the #1 team in the league.
5. I agree....Detroit probably "should" be lower but they're given credit for their SOS (15-10-2, .5926). (I haven't gotten around to weighing this for recent games yet - maybe I'll get to that after the 1st of the year.)
6. The reason I don't weigh the outcome of specific games is b/c it requires balancing a close game vs. a blowout, which requires putting in a diminishing effect to prevent teams from getting ranked higher than they should when they win 8-1. (Besides, in general winning or losing 8-1 has little effect on the outcome of the next game.)

This will get more accurate as teams play more games (probably around 15). I just threw it out for discussion.

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Pittsburgh's too high. Lower 20's are appropriate.

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uuummm...Nashville beat Columbus

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This early in the season if team A beat team B in game, they've gotta get ranked higher. Detroit beat LA, Philly beat Phoenix, Nashville defeated Colombus among others. But in all those cases you have the winner rated lower. How the Flyers are 14 is beyond me.

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so its edmonton's fault being ranked low for beating beating the crap out of Colorado Saturday?
and two of their losses came to divsion leaders (vancouver and St Louis)

if your going to put Detroit high at least put Dallas higher

i just don't get it (oh well power ranking are based on opinion most of the times anyway maybe even all the time)

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Dallas simply hasn't played well yet. Phoenix and Atlanta have definately surprised, but the season is still young.

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Not trying to burst your bubble, but how can Dallas, the leader in the West rank 16th?

I'm curious when Chris Degroat puts his powerrankings up, those were accurate and pretty darn sweet.
I pretty much have to wait until every team has played at least 10 games, preferrably 15.... but, I wasn't even sure if was going to do them this year. It'll really depend on how things go with my job situation over the next few days.

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Dallas simply hasn't played well yet. Phoenix and Atlanta have definately surprised, but the season is still young.
I really like Phoenix this year, they are incredibly deep at forward and will only get deeper when Sillinger returns. If Burke can stay healthy they're going to the playoffs and if Ferrence, Suchy, Hulse and Tanabe can elevate their games a little(A big "if") then Phoenix has a solid shot at taking the division, IMO.

I think the Wings are sloted too high on this list, they haven't played like a top ten team yet and losing Hatcher isn't going to help things.

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Honestly if you think these are bad you should see ESPN's latest power rankings. They have PHI listed 1st--No offese PHI fans but I'm sure you'll agree that at this point that the flyers are not the best team in the NHL.

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I guess some of those explanations make sense. I'll reserve final judgement after more games have been played. I think 15 or 20 is a bear minimum, as noted by the author.

Either way, it's cool you put the thought / effort into it. That wasn't apparent after your first post but after your clarifications it is more so. Will look forward to checking them out in a couple weeks.

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Ottawa looks great and has a record of 3-1-0-1 and Coyo is 3-2-0-0, i don't really understand how Coyo can rank higher than the Sens.

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Honestly if you think these are bad you should see ESPN's latest power rankings. They have PHI listed 1st--No offese PHI fans but I'm sure you'll agree that at this point that the flyers are not the best team in the NHL.
At the time of the rankings, a case could easily be made. Three unbeated teams [PHI, TB, ATL] and of those teams the Flyers were the best, recording two shutouts.

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Ottawa looks great and has a record of 3-1-0-1 and Coyo is 3-2-0-0, i don't really understand how Coyo can rank higher than the Sens.
Everyone together now...AMERICAN BIAS

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Ottawa looks great and has a record of 3-1-0-1 and Coyo is 3-2-0-0, i don't really understand how Coyo can rank higher than the Sens.
seems like there is a lot of bias

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i always wonder why we're not lower without Zhamnov and Daze

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