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08-05-2011, 09:27 AM
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Kings don't need depth, they need high end talent. Trading Kopitar would be counter-productive. In other words, in any trade the Kings make right now the best player should be going to the Kings, similar to the Richards trade.
Everybody needs depth. Depth wins cups. Look at Chicago when they won. They were probably the deepest team that the NHL had seen in a while. Check out Boston this year. They had great depth as well. If you want to be a contender you need depth to win. Thats just how it is.

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08-05-2011, 09:53 AM
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Everybody needs depth. Depth wins cups. Look at Chicago when they won. They were probably the deepest team that the NHL had seen in a while. Check out Boston this year. They had great depth as well. If you want to be a contender you need depth to win. Thats just how it is.
Look at the Kings roster. There is serious depth at D. There is depth at G. The Kings have plenty of bottom 6 forwards. Where they are lacking depth is in high end top 6 talent.

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08-05-2011, 09:56 AM
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Look at the Kings roster. There is serious depth at D. There is depth at G. The Kings have plenty of bottom 6 forwards. Where they are lacking depth is in high end top 6 talent.
Then why does every Kings fan say their looking for a solid botton 6 player?

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08-05-2011, 10:03 AM
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Then why does every Kings fan say their looking for a solid botton 6 player?
Not every king fan is saying this. Simmonds departure left a hole on the wing of the 3rd line, but there's a lot of unknowns as to who can play there at the moment. It's pretty much the only line that still needs to be penciled in. The unknown is causing some fans to say we need one. It would be nice to get a cheap upgrade, but it's not necessary, at least until some of the kids get a shot to prove they can take the spot.

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08-05-2011, 10:06 AM
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Then why does every Kings fan say their looking for a solid botton 6 player?
Because we want the Kings to win the Cup. We have plenty of kids to throw into a bottom six role but we want a sure thing bottom 6 player who will help the Kings win the Cup.

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And when Schenn's fully developed, he's probably gonna be a Richards-type player, just with a higher skill level.
The Kings got a Richards-type player who is 26 and his name is Richards. Why wait another 3-4 years to see if Schenn ever gets there? The Kings traded potential and a bottom 6 forward for a top line center that can play in all situations. Kings are designed to win now and in the future. The trade will work out for both teams. Nothing wrong with that.

As to your trade proposal, you don't trade 23 year old #1 centers for bottom 6 depth.

Most Kings fans are happy with their lineup as is, only some want to get another veteran bottom 6 player. I haven't seen any Kings' fans wanting to trade a top 6 player to get a bottom 6 player.

Some Kings' fans want to trade some of the teams defensive prospects for a bottom 6 player.


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08-05-2011, 10:10 AM
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Then why does every Kings fan say their looking for a solid botton 6 player?
The Kings are (reportedly) looking for a bottom six guy who can slide in to the top 6 in event of injury.
Being built from the net out, that is what we are lacking.

Also, Kings fans are penciling in Brad Richardson as the 3rd line Rw. Who wou you rather have there? Brad Richardson or a legit top 6 guy who could slide in to a top 6 role if needed. Like you said.....depth.

Since you mentioned the Chicago cup team. The Kings are looking for more of an Andrew Ladd than a Clarke MacArthur.


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Not every king fan is saying this. Simmonds departure left a hole on the wing of the 3rd line, but there's a lot of unknowns as to who can play there at the moment. It's pretty much the only line that still needs to be penciled in. The unknown is causing some fans to say we need one. It would be nice to get a cheap upgrade, but it's not necessary, at least until some of the kids get a shot to prove they can take the spot.
**** it, lets trade Anze Kopitar and shore up that third line. Cups don't win themselves, you know.

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08-05-2011, 10:14 AM
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Wow. Your just like Montreal fans, once a player is no longer wearing your jersey, they instantly become garbage in your eyes.
Not at all. We gave a lot to get a lot. However we still gave 2 players and got 1 back. The best player in the trade is Richards. In other words, Kopitar could get traded only if the trade was Kopitar + Y =for another franchise player. Nothing else makes sense.

Kings have depth, the "needs" are not very urgent IMO.

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08-05-2011, 10:29 AM
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The Kings got a Richards-type player who is 26 and his name is Richards.
We should have a "Quote of the day" thread around here...

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Why the **** would the Kings want to trade Kopitar, especially for that ****?

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The Kings got a Richards-type player who is 26 and his name is Richards. Why wait another 3-4 years to see if Schenn ever gets there? The Kings traded potential and a bottom 6 forward for a top line center that can play in all situations. Kings are designed to win now and in the future. The trade will work out for both teams. Nothing wrong with that.

As to your trade proposal, you don't trade 23 year old #1 centers for bottom 6 depth.

Most Kings fans are happy with their lineup as is, only some want to get another veteran bottom 6 player. I haven't seen any Kings' fans wanting to trade a top 6 player to get a bottom 6 player.

Some Kings' fans want to trade some of the teams defensive prospects for a bottom 6 player.
Are you joking? He almost ready now it will take 1-2 years MAX. He'll be ready sooner than you think

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08-05-2011, 10:44 AM
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Why the **** would the Kings want to trade Kopitar, especially for that ****?
This.

Any Kopi to Leafs deal would start with Kessel.

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08-05-2011, 10:46 AM
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Are you joking? He almost ready now it will take 1-2 years MAX. He'll be ready sooner than you think
And you know this how?

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Not really but it doesnt look like he'll fit in in the next couple years.

I did. Have you noticed how Kings fans keep saying they want a 3rd line winger in the boards. Well you get a solid one with Armstrong. Then you get MacArthur to replace Penner when he's gone (or now seeing as he's not very good). Then you get Grabovski as well to centre the 2nd line with MacArthur and Brown/Williams. Then you get to 2nd rounders. Dont worry buddy, I was thinking about your teams needs.

Wow. Your just like Montreal fans, once a player is no longer wearing your jersey, they instantly become garbage in your eyes. Schenn was the #1 ranked prospect by most people, hockey writers and sports networks and still is. Wayne Simmonds is probably one of best 3rd liners in the league. Then you threw in a second, which rarely ends u being quantity, and not quality. And when Schenn's fully developed, he's probably gonna be a Richards-type player, just with a higher skill level.
For the first bold, in what world would a team give up their best player to fill a 3rd line role?

In the second bold, no one is saying Schenn or Simmonds is junk, just that Mike Richards (right now) is better. We all still love Schenn and Simmonds, and wish them well. As far as Schenn becoming Richards, most Kings fans believe he probably will, but we want to try and win right now, not 3-4 years down the line when he might be. How can anyone deny the Kings got MUCH better in that trade and that it was fair for both teams.

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Everybody needs depth. Depth wins cups. Look at Chicago when they won. They were probably the deepest team that the NHL had seen in a while. Check out Boston this year. They had great depth as well. If you want to be a contender you need depth to win. Thats just how it is.
And that's exactly why we'll keep Kopitar, Richards, Stoll, Lewis, Richardson because that's amazing center depth.

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This.

Any Kopi to Leafs deal would start with Kessel.
Honestly I don't think Toronto has the necessary pieces to land Kopitar.

That's right I said it Leafs fans. You don't have the pieces to acquire a 23 year old number one center.

Come at me bro.

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Are you joking? He almost ready now it will take 1-2 years MAX. He'll be ready sooner than you think
He very well be, but who's to know? We thought he was ready this year and looked lost in a few of the games. I was one that wanted to keep him up this year, but in the end am glad we didn't. I think it will be better for his growth. As I said, I hope Schenn does become Richards later on. I like the kid and only wish him well. To say that he will take 1-2 years to become a player of Richards caliber who can score, pass, quarterback the power play, hit like a freight train, fight, leadership and kill penalties (while scoring on the PK to boot) is just plain silly. What NHL prospect has done all that in their first year (not named Crosby, Malkin, Ovie, etc)? Not many. In fact, not many NHL players bring all that Richards does to the team.

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Honestly I don't think Toronto has the necessary pieces to land Kopitar.

That's right I said it Leafs fans. You don't have the pieces to acquire a 23 year old number one center.

Come at me bro.
Not the pieces they would be willing to part with anyway.

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Not really but it doesnt look like he'll fit in in the next couple years.

I did. Have you noticed how Kings fans keep saying they want a 3rd line winger in the boards. Well you get a solid one with Armstrong. Then you get MacArthur to replace Penner when he's gone (or now seeing as he's not very good). Then you get Grabovski as well to centre the 2nd line with MacArthur and Brown/Williams. Then you get to 2nd rounders. Dont worry buddy, I was thinking about your teams needs.

Wow. Your just like Montreal fans, once a player is no longer wearing your jersey, they instantly become garbage in your eyes. Schenn was the #1 ranked prospect by most people, hockey writers and sports networks and still is. Wayne Simmonds is probably one of best 3rd liners in the league. Then you threw in a second, which rarely ends u being quantity, and not quality. And when Schenn's fully developed, he's probably gonna be a Richards-type player, just with a higher skill level.
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I saw Schenn play in Manchester during the playoffs, and he just didn't look like someone who would be ready to be a key contributor in one or two years, and he especially didn't look like he'd be able to surpass the production of...oh, I don't know...Mike Richards in a year or two.

I still think Schenn has great potential, and it definitely hurt having to give him up, but that deal just makes too much sense for the Kings at this stage in their development.

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Onto another topic....

Would any of you trade Jack Johnson for Michael Grabner?

Then bring up one of the kids to fill in on D?

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Leafs offer for Kopitar:


Clarke MacArthur (solid top 6 winger for when Dusty Penner is gone)
Colby Armstrong (fan favourite 3rd line winger in Toronto, but if it means getting #1 centre then ok)
Mikhail Grabovski (would work as 2nd line centre with MacArthur and Williams or Brown)
Conditional 2012 1st (condition being if Grabovski resigns with the Kings, pick turns into 2013 2nd, if not 2012 1st round pick)
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Anze Kopitar

Toronto needs to add? LA needs to add?

Flame away.
The **** is this garbage? Get out of here. It would take at least Schenn, Kessel, and Kadri to even get the Kings to start thinking about trading Kopitar. Furthermore, it wouldn't ever happen, because the Kings don't want Kessel or Kadri.


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Would any of you trade Jack Johnson for Michael Grabner?

Then bring up one of the kids to fill in on D?
No way. If we are trading Johnson, it is for someone much more established than Grabner.

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Would any of you trade Jack Johnson for Michael Grabner?

Then bring up one of the kids to fill in on D?
Absolutely not.

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Would any of you trade Jack Johnson for Michael Grabner?

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