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08-03-2011, 01:44 PM
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People get too carried away with positive one-liners from beat writers and people in the organization. Pashnin "turned a lot of heads" with his relentless physical play, but he also demonstrated very poor positioning, decision making, and was often caught on the ice for very long shifts due to those reasons.

He's an excellent physical presence, but unless he seriously improves the rest of his game -- you know, the part where he defends the puck -- he's not likely to be much more than a #6 d-man. If pointing out that he has serious holes in his game rubs people the wrong way, then it's time for those people to stop being hypocritical.
Which is why he makes the move to NA and joins the Whale and works with a guy like J.J. Daigneault. I doubt the kid's ever had coach as solid as him before, one who will teach him to actually play defense. One thing is for sure, he's motivated to win and like other Rangers who have succeeded, he's got the right attitude.

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Hey - I love the fact that you are super-optimistic. I am much more even keeled. I think that the guy goes to Hartford - plays the game - and then we see where he is. I don't get the super enthusiasm with this guy. I'd be shocked if you saw him play (I haven't). I hope he is Kaspar 2, but keep in mind, Kaspar was a 5th overall pick. Until I see this kid myself, then i can't put him in this class. A Rangers scout giving a few good one liners just doesn't quite do it..
I'm not expecting him to make the Rangers out of camp, but making the Whale is a different story. With as solid as the Rangers' defense is, there's zero reason to rush this kid, or any other defensive prospect, Parlett, McIlrath, Kundratek and Del Zotto included. After physically maturing and improving his defensive awareness there's no reason why we can't see this kid in NY as a top4 blueliner just like Kaspar was. For now, IMO he's a solid prospect.

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08-03-2011, 01:45 PM
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Never read into Pashnin too much, what can we expect? ECHL route first than playing is way up to AHL?

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08-03-2011, 01:59 PM
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Never read into Pashnin too much, what can we expect? ECHL route first than playing is way up to AHL?
Assuming he's signed to an NHL contract, he cannot be assigned to the ECHL without his permission. Although it really makes no sense to send him there (unless it's to rehab an injury) because the level of play is probably below what he's been seeing in Russia. Plus, given the culture shock he's going to experience, sending him to a team in what is for him the middle of nowhere with very few European players in the league would not help his development either. It's going to tough enough coming over to Hartford from that perspective.

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08-03-2011, 02:03 PM
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Assuming he's signed to an NHL contract, he cannot be assigned to the ECHL without his permission.
That is only true for 1-way contracts. Pashnin, because of his age, will have to sign an ELC and all ELCs are 2-way.

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He will play in the AHL.
MDZ/Valtenko
Redden
Kundratek
Parlett
Pashnin

Who else am I forgetting?

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He will play in the AHL.
MDZ/Valtenko
Redden
Kundratek
Parlett
Pashnin

Who else am I forgetting?
Niemi

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He will play in the AHL.
MDZ/Valtenko
Redden
Kundratek
Parlett
Pashnin

Who else am I forgetting?
Jyri Niemi, Stu Bickel.

Possibly Nightingale?

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08-03-2011, 03:06 PM
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That is only true for 1-way contracts. Pashnin, because of his age, will have to sign an ELC and all ELCs are 2-way.
Just checked, you're right about being able to send a player on an ELC to the ECHL, but let's face it, it would not be a smart move. It's not going to help Pashnin improve his skills because he will be playing against inferior players and as I said in my original post, it's not going to help him get used to living in a country that is very different from his homeland. Might as well send him home if he can't make the AHL at this point.

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Jyri Niemi, Stu Bickel.

Possibly Nightingale?
Ah yes, Jyri Niemi. Bickel is horrible, I forgot him on purpose.

Nightingale will probably play as well. 7-8 d-men in the AHL is not a weird thing. For some reason they have a TON of injuries every year.

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Mikhail Pashnin will attend the #NYR training camp and will then make a decision on whether to join the Rangers.

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So Pashnin is going to attend Ranger camp and then make a decision. Why is he basing his decision on training camp? He is going to AHL if he signs here. Its either NHL or KHL? No AHL. If that's the issue,then Pashnin should sign a deal to remain in the KHL. Or Pashnin is afraid to sign an ELC with the Rangers while he is still in Russia and he is just looking for an excuse to not sign before camp.

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So Pashnin is going to attend Ranger camp and then make a decision. Why is he basing his decision on training camp? He is going to AHL if he signs here. Its either NHL or KHL? No AHL. If that's the issue,then Pashnin should sign a deal to remain in the KHL. Or Pashnin is afraid to sign an ELC with the Rangers while he is still in Russia and he is just looking for an excuse to not sign before camp.
Maybe he wants to see where he is on their depth chart. If he thinks he won't see ANY time in the NHL this season maybe he decides to make more money for (1) more year in the KHL?

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08-05-2011, 10:36 AM
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Sounds like he intends to get a feel for if he has any chance to make the NYR roster... Once he realizes he probably won't, he's not staying.

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Sounds like he intends to get a feel for if he has any chance to make the NYR roster... Once he realizes he probably won't, he's not staying.
Oh too good for the AHL type attitude....seems a bit selfish....hope he actually goes to AHL if he signed the contract and hopefully will not bolt to russia

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So Pashnin is going to attend Ranger camp and then make a decision. Why is he basing his decision on training camp? He is going to AHL if he signs here. Its either NHL or KHL? No AHL. If that's the issue,then Pashnin should sign a deal to remain in the KHL. Or Pashnin is afraid to sign an ELC with the Rangers while he is still in Russia and he is just looking for an excuse to not sign before camp.
If he's an NHL-or-bust player, then he may as well just re-sign in Russia. The organization has shown time and time again that they don't guarantee roster spots to players in this situation.

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Ekaterina Mukhlinina of Infox.ru spoke to Pashnin’s agent Alexei Dementiev, who made it clear the decision on where Pashnin will play next season has not yet been made. “At the current moment, Pashnin has not signed any contract, either with CSKA Moscow or the Rangers. All roads are open for Mikhail,” he stressed. “Anything’s possible.”

“I think everything will be determined within a week to ten days,” Dementiev added.
http://www.beyondtheblueshirts.com/2...ay-next-season

Does this kid have a North American agent?

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Sounds like he intends to get a feel for if he has any chance to make the NYR roster... Once he realizes he probably won't, he's not staying.
Maybe, he might also be wanting to gauge if he will play good minutes in the AHL.

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It does seem frustrating to a Ranger fan, but deciding whether to play in the AHL or KHL has major financial implications. I doubt many people on this board would leave their decent paying job on a maybe that could end up being a much lower salary. It's annoying to constantly hear this with KHL players, but it is understandable nonetheless.

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It does seem frustrating to a Ranger fan, but deciding whether to play in the AHL or KHL has major financial implications. I doubt many people on this board would leave their decent paying job on a maybe that could end up being a much lower salary. It's annoying to constantly hear this with KHL players, but it is understandable nonetheless.
Oh, yeah. I totally get why he's doing what he's doing, and I can't hold it against him. He has to do what is in his own best interests.

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Never expected this kid to be anything for the Rangers organization, anyway.

So, if he doesn't sign, no skin off our backs.

Erixon, Del Zotto, McIlrath

Right there is a huge road block for him.

Not to mention Valentenko and Kundratek, who I also don't feel will amount to anything for the Rangers, except in trade value, but are higher on the food chart.

Staal
Girardi
McDonagh
Sauer
Erixon
Del Zotto
Eminger
McIlrath

Pashnin, Valentenko, and Kundratek won't be on the roster as a #7. Doubt they make it and stick in the NHL as a Ranger.

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If he's an NHL-or-bust player, then he may as well just re-sign in Russia. The organization has shown time and time again that they don't guarantee roster spots to players in this situation.
I don't see where he's demainding a spot to sign--he's going to come to training camp (no doubt) with the intention of winning a spot on the Rangers roster. Just because it's a long-shot doesn't mean he shouldn't try. And once he's been through training camp/pre-season both the team and Pashnin will have a better idea of where he fits in the Rangers long term plan. If he's the last cut, maybe he takes a chance, signs and starts out in Hartford.

I actually think this is positive step for both parties.

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russians do not usually like to go to the ahl and play for a few reasons.

1. they consider it a step down from the kontinental league. why play in the a when you can play in a better league and make more money. not to mention

long bus rides
small older arenas with small crowds
cramped locker rooms
average hotels
marginal stipend money

that can describe both the ahl and the khl but......


2. the k pays way better and its virtually tax free

3. they can stay home with family and friends

many russians feel the a is a wasteland and once youre there, youre stuck.

in a way, its a sense of entitlement that i dont agree with, but taken as a whole, i can see why staying in russia would be more attractive.

and hes exactly the kind of marginal nhl playerr that tends to stay in russia. the superstars come here. the 3rd line types dont. thats just the way it is.

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I don't see where he's demainding a spot to sign--he's going to come to training camp (no doubt) with the intention of winning a spot on the Rangers roster. Just because it's a long-shot doesn't mean he shouldn't try. And once he's been through training camp/pre-season both the team and Pashnin will have a better idea of where he fits in the Rangers long term plan. If he's the last cut, maybe he takes a chance, signs and starts out in Hartford.

I actually think this is positive step for both parties.
I don't know, I'm skeptical. This just feels like a common situation in the NHL, and rarely does it result in the player signing with his club or coming to the States. It's nothing but a gut feeling, but I'd be surprised if we see him in North America after training camp.

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I don't know, I'm skeptical. This just feels like a common situation in the NHL, and rarely does it result in the player signing with his club or coming to the States. It's nothing but a gut feeling, but I'd be surprised if we see him in North America after training camp.
Honestly, I don't care either way. This a prospect taken in the later rounds, who's already a long-shot. At least we'll all get see him on the ice now and hey, ya never know.

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A lot of those concerns would be alleviated if he signed a 1-way contract, given he'll be making his money regardless of whether he plays in the NHL or AHL.

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