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07-12-2011, 08:51 AM
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History of Senators Prospects

I was looking at old top prospect threads, thought it was kinda neat.

Prospects of 2010
Jared Cowen
David Rundblad
Patrick Wiercioch
Robin Lehner
Andre Petersson
Zack Smith
Jakob Silfverberg
Roman Wick
Bobby Butler
Eric Gryba
Mike Hoffman
Jakob Culek
Kaspars Daugavins
Derek Grant
Louie Caporusso
Jim O'Brien
Cody Bass
Erik Condra
Corey Cowick
Chris Wideman
Colin Greening
David Dziurzynski
Markus Sorensen
Mark Stone
Ben Blood

Prospects of 2009
1. D, Erik Karlsson - Frolunda SEL
2. D, Jared Cowen - Spokane Chiefs WHL
3. D, Patrick Wiercioch - U. of Denver NCAA
4. C, Peter Regin - Binghamton Senators AHL
5. C, Ilya Zubov - Binghamton Senators AHL
6. C, Jim O'Brien - Seattle Thunderbirds WHL
7. G, Robin Lehner - Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds OHL
8. C, Zach Smith - Binghamton Senators AHL
9. C, Louie Caporusso - U. of Michigan NCAA
10. C, Jakob Silfverberg - Brynas SEL
11. W, Andre Petersson - HV71 SEL
12. C, Cody Bass - Binghamton Senators AHL
13. D, Eric Gryba - U. of Boston NCAA
14. W, Erik Condra - U. of Notre Dame NCAA
15. W, Mike Hoffman - Drummondville Voltigeurs QMJHL

Prospects of 2008
#1 Prospect - Brian Lee
#2 Prospect - Erik Karlsson
#3 Prospect - Nick Folgino
#4 Prospect - Brian Elliott
#5 Prospect - Jim O'Brien
#6 Prospect - Peter Regin
#7 Prospect - Kaspars Daugavins
#8 Prospect - Cody Bass
#9 Prospect - Alexander Nikulin
#10 Prospect - Ilya Zubov
#11 Prospect - Jesse Winchester
#12 Prospect - Patrick Wiercioch
#13 Prospect - Andre Petersson
#14 Prospect - Louie Caporusso
#15 Prospect - Josh Hennessy
#16 Prospect - Ruslan Bashkirov
#17 Prospect - Erik Condra
#18 Prospect - Igor Mirnov
#19 Prospect - Mattias Karlsson
#20 Prospect - Ben Blood

Prospects of 2007
Nick Foligno
Brian Lee
Kaspars Daugavins
Josh Hennessy
Brian Elliot
Igor Mirnov
Ilya Zubov
Cody Bass
Tomas Kudelka
Vitaly Anikeyenko

Prospects of 2006
1. D Brian Lee
2. F Alexei Kaigorodov
3. F Josh Hennessy
4. F Nick Foligno
5. F Igor Mirnov
6. D Kirill Lyamin
7. G Jeff Glass
8. F Ilya Zubov
9. D Michal Barinka
10. D Vitaly Anikeyenko
11. F Arttu Luttinen
12. F Kaspars Daugavins
13. F Shawn Weller
14. G Kelly Guard
15. F Alexander Nikulin
16. D Tomas Kudelka
17. G Brian Elliott
18. F Cody Bass
19. D Eric Gryba
20. F Peter Regin
**Done by Theo Huxtable

Prospects of 2005
#1- Antoine Vermette 26 (39.39%)
#2- Ray Emery 21 (38.89%)
#3- Andrej Meszaros 27 (62.79%)
#4- Patrick Eaves 17 (48.57%)
#5- Alexei Kaigorodov 27 (69.23%)
#6- Brandon Bochenski 21 (61.76%)
#7- Igor Mirnov 8 (24.24%) *Won in tiebreaker
#8- Christoph Schubert 13 (38.24%)
#9- Jeff Glass 16 (55.17%)
#10- Roman Wick 11 (42.31%)
#11- Kirill Lyamin 14 (56.00%)
#12- Billy Thompson 8 (28.57%)
#13- Jan Platil 17 (68.00%)
#14- Shawn Weller 12 (52.17%)
#15- Alexander Nikulin 9 (36.00%)
#16- Kelly Guard 9 (39.13%)
#17- Peter Regin 6 (28.57%)
#18- Phillippe Seydoux 8 (32.00%)
#19- Will Colbert 7 (25.00%) * Won in tiebreaker
#20- Jim McKenzie 7 (25.00%)

Prospects of 2004
#1 Ray Emery
#2 Patrick Eaves
#3 Brandon Bochenski
#4 Igor Mirnov
#5 Alexei Kaigorodov
#6 Jan Platil
#7 Kelly Guard
#8 Chris Kelly
#9 Christoph Schubert
#10 Grant Potulny
#11 Charlie Stephens
#12 Billy Thompson
#13 Mattias Karlsson
#14 Sergei Gimayev
#15-17 (in no order):
-Phillipe Seydoux
-Neil Komadoski
-Will Colbert
#18 Tim Cook
#19 Brian McGrattan
#20 Andy Hedlund


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We had Brian Lee better then Karlsson at one point.


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I think that the best Sens prospect is Karlsson. The reason is because he was a top 15 pick and he is going to be the dman of the future
-He knew what he was talking about lol


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It's amazing how quickly we can all look stupid. Even our 2009 predictions have some rough ones in there.

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I have tried to compile a list for Sens top 20 that goes back a number of years. Toronto as well.

We all are curious how things change from year to year, but I wanted an historical perspective to provide more in depth analysis.

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In 2008 Lee played in the playoffs and looked good iirc, not that far removed from his 9th overall selection. Karlsson wasn't a known quantity at that time. Small off-the-board pick and no one had faith in the sens scouting.

2007... lol. I think that explains why there's an age gap between Spezza and our top prospects.

2005 was surprisingly spot on. Everyone at the top made it.

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07-12-2011, 10:47 AM
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That was pretty interesting.

There are so few impact NHLers in any of those lists.

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"So if Lee doesn't count as a prospect for us anymore, would you agree that Karlsson is our best prospect?"

"Jim O'Brien or Brian Elliott I would have ahead of him."


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Prospects of 2007 list is gross, crazy how much better the system is now

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Roman Wick over Bobby Butler...

I predict the same thing will happen with Da Costa this year. The NCAA doesn't get enough credit on these boards.

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We may laugh in hindsight, but development is far from easy to predict. For example, for 2008: when Karlsson was drafted, many thought he needed a few years in the SEL and AHL to round out his defensive game and bulk up, while Brian Lee was poised to break into the NHL (he played 53 games in the NHL the season after the 2008 prospect ranking). Things change, basically.

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Some posts from older related threads

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Agreed. It's 5x better then it was under Muckler.

But to take our prospect pool from a B to an A, I think we really need to add two high end forward prospects....
We just added Filatov, Da Costa, Puempel, Noesen, Prince, Pageau and Zibanejad

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in my opinion, it depends on his physical development. If he is developing well there, and doesnt make the sens out of camp (he wont), he's better off going back to sweden, because the level of competition is much higher.

If karlsson isnt developing well physically, the sens might try to get him to north america to closer monitor his training routines.

I'd be willing to put money on him staying in sweden until 2010, and then making the 2010-2011 sens team out of camp.
Hopefully, you didn't bet

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Good thing a top 15 pick has never busted before.
Of course, but not Karlsson

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2005 was surprisingly spot on. Everyone at the top made it.
Don't sound so surprised.

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Stong support players but we need a third game breaker. Heatley and Spezza are destined to play together forever.
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Russians need to be higher
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Foligno has more intangibles how? O'Brien was killing penalties at the University of Minnesota at age 17. He knows how to do the little things.

His top end potential is much higher than Foligno's, IMO.
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Jim O'Brien or Brian Elliott I would have ahead of him.
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i just dont see how it works. Unless schubert is an epic fail on defence this year, we are set for the next 2 years. I suppose he could play in the AHL for a year, but i think he is better served in sweden.
Just shows how much changes in a few short years. I wish I was around Back then so I could see my comments.


Also, sticky this *****, it's a great thread. Just add 2011.

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Don't sound so surprised.
And you ask why we are doing everything short of begging on our knees while giving you sexual favours for you to be the Sens writer at hf again.

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I loved Weller's game at the prospects camp. I guarentee he will be on the HF top 20 prospects list. Hes going to be a good player for the sens.

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A lot of good players on that list and Spezza isn't even listed

Ottawa is going to be good for years to come, as long as the drafting remains stellar as it has been pretty much since the beginning.

(except for Mel Bridgeman's expansion draft, ugh, although the pickings were slim)
First post in the 2005 Top 20 Prospects list.

Wow. How opinions have changed.

We should sticky this topic and update it yearly, just so we can laugh at ourselves down the road.

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Prospects of 2005 vs 2011
#1- Antoine Vermette similar to Silverberg
#2- Ray Emery not quite as impresive as Lehner
#3- Andrej Meszaros equvalent value to Cowen
#4- Patrick Eaves similar tp Greening?
#8- Christoph Schubert similar to Gryba?
#10- Roman Wick younger version of Roman Wick :p
#17- Peter Regin similar value to Butler?

This leaves Rundblad, Wiercioch, Condra, Boroweicki etc.

IMO the 2011 group is a bit better than the 2005 group which was our best group in a long time. (I wonder what the organizational ranking was)

** the 2005 group was the double cohort due to the lockout was it not?

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The 2005 group was really strong, far more so than we realize now. You have to keep a couple things in perspective:

First, drafting is one thing, but development is another, and under the previous administration, development was neglected as well.

Second, you look at the list and see a guy like Schubert and in retrospect he doesn't seem all that special. But at the time he was a really intriguing prospect for all the reasons we know, incredible tools, and really, 300+ NHL games is not bad. It's entirely possible that one or several of our current top 10 prospects won't play that many when all is said and done.

If you take out the goalies on that 2005 list, it's still, even in retrospect, a very impressive group.

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The 2005 group was really strong, far more so than we realize now. You have to keep a couple things in perspective:

First, drafting is one thing, but development is another, and under the previous administration, development was neglected as well.

Second, you look at the list and see a guy like Schubert and in retrospect he doesn't seem all that special. But at the time he was a really intriguing prospect for all the reasons we know, incredible tools, and really, 300+ NHL games is not bad. It's entirely possible that one or several of our current top 10 prospects won't play that many when all is said and done.

If you take out the goalies on that 2005 list, it's still, even in retrospect, a very impressive group.
Ya it was our last great pool, and of course drafting is nothing without a good development system. But I don't think we ever had that much depht in Sens history. Having Derek Grant as our 21st best prospect is insane.

It really shows how fast can your team go down if you neglect this aspect. This is by far the most important aspect in the game today (talking about drafting and development, both go together)

Schubert was also a very good prospect back then. He took some time to adjust to the NA game, but in 2005, he looked like Wiercioch with Gryba body.

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And you ask why we are doing everything short of begging on our knees while giving you sexual favours for you to be the Sens writer at hf again.
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Ya it was our last great pool, and of course drafting is nothing without a good development system. But I don't think we ever had that much depht in Sens history. Having Derek Grant as our 21st best prospect is insane.

It really shows how fast can your team go down if you neglect this aspect. This is by far the most important aspect in the game today (talking about drafting and development, both go together)

Schubert was also a very good prospect back then. He took some time to adjust to the NA game, but in 2005, he looked like Wiercioch with Gryba body.
I actually think that 2005 group is similar to our current crop, although I agree, the current group is a notch deeper. We produced a lot of NHL calibre players in the years between 1999-2004, and that 2005 list quoted below doesn't have Spezza or Laich or Volchenkov for example. The players we got to the NHL panned out, and generally the players we let linger in the minors didn't though.

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