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08-04-2011, 12:30 PM
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I love Kesler, but he gets too much credit for a guy who plays against secondary defensive competition.

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08-04-2011, 12:41 PM
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Kesler and Weber have similar values, but I'd rather not do this trade because if we lose Kesler we'd open a massive hole on our 2nd line/PK/PP.

If we had Crosby/Malkin/Staal-like center depth, then I'd consider trading Malkin for Weber.

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08-04-2011, 01:51 PM
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If you can guarantee that Weber is signed for at least the next 5 yrs at, at most $6mill/yr, yes, I'd make that swap in a second. I'm a huge Kesler fan and don't want to see him go anywhere, but contracts aside, there are a handful of players in the league I'd swap him for. Weber is one of them.

Weber is and will be one of the top-3 dmen in the game for a long time. It's like having Pronger before he hit his prime and still a total dominant force on the ice.

If you can get that franchise dman to build your defense around longterm, Kesler is a piece I'd give up.

Problem with value to the team here is with the contract. Kesler brings a great many things to the table, but the most difficult to replace is that $5mill cap hit for all the things he brings. That's HUGE value to the team. But if you can get that same value from a franchise player like Weber, I'd do that swap in a second.

Of course, best case scenario is that he signs here as a UFA. And until he signs that long term deal, there's still hope. I'm happy waiting 2 years to find out and keep Kesler in the process.

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08-04-2011, 01:55 PM
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If you can guarantee that Weber is signed for at least the next 5 yrs at, at most $6mill/yr, yes, I'd make that swap in a second. I'm a huge Kesler fan and don't want to see him go anywhere, but contracts aside, there are a handful of players in the league I'd swap him for. Weber is one of them.

Weber is and will be one of the top-3 dmen in the game for a long time. It's like having Pronger before he hit his prime and still a total dominant force on the ice.

If you can get that franchise dman to build your defense around longterm, Kesler is a piece I'd give up.

Problem with value to the team here is with the contract. Kesler brings a great many things to the table, but the most difficult to replace is that $5mill cap hit for all the things he brings. That's HUGE value to the team. But if you can get that same value from a franchise player like Weber, I'd do that swap in a second.

Of course, best case scenario is that he signs here as a UFA. And until he signs that long term deal, there's still hope. I'm happy waiting 2 years to find out and keep Kesler in the process.
I dont think we'll see him hit Free Agency as a Pred. If that's the case. The longer this drags out, you'd have to think that the less his value is in terms of trade.

If it's July 1 next season, and someone offers him big buck on a 1yr deal, the Preds have no option but to take the compensation as he would be lost to free agency the following season.

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08-04-2011, 02:08 PM
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Kesler and Weber have similar values, but I'd rather not do this trade because if we lose Kesler we'd open a massive hole on our 2nd line/PK/PP.

If we had Crosby/Malkin/Staal-like center depth, then I'd consider trading Malkin for Weber.
Yeah like when Nashville, who arguably has the top d pairing in the NHL used them to match up to Kesler in the 2nd round, and he made them look average.

Whoops, meant to quote wisp not wilch.

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08-04-2011, 02:35 PM
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Yeah like when Nashville, who arguably has the top d pairing in the NHL used them to match up to Kesler in the 2nd round, and he made them look average.

Whoops, meant to quote wisp not wilch.
IMO this is because Kesler didnt have to focus on shutting down any NSH forwards, and could attack full force. Sedins were held in check decently.

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08-04-2011, 03:39 PM
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IMO this is because Kesler didnt have to focus on shutting down any NSH forwards, and could attack full force. Sedins were held in check decently.
Still, my quote was directed at the poster who claimed Kesler was overrated, because he played against secondary defense pairs.

Sedins weren't held in check by the Preds, more by Rinne. From a numbers perspective they were "held in check", but they created a ton of opportunities that werent finished (unlike the finals, where the created very little).

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08-04-2011, 05:50 PM
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Still, my quote was directed at the poster who claimed Kesler was overrated, because he played against secondary defense pairs.

Sedins weren't held in check by the Preds, more by Rinne. From a numbers perspective they were "held in check", but they created a ton of opportunities that werent finished (unlike the finals, where the created very little).
Nobody produced in the finals.

And I don't think Kesler is overrated, far from it. My comment was more of a protest from people who think he's the greatest thing our team has to offer. I really like the different skill sets from our two scoring lines.

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08-04-2011, 06:36 PM
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Even if weber was signed to contract value, I still would hesitate to make the deal especially since trading away a first line selke winning centre is difficult to replace. I have no problem deeming edler as this team's no.1 defenceman for years to come. Weber may be the better player but kesler's the better fit on this team and has more value at this point.

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08-04-2011, 09:31 PM
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Kesler made Weber his ***** in round 2...so no.


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Absolutely not. As others have said, value-wise Weber is probably worth more than Kesler, but from an organizational standpoint it would make no sense for the Canucks to trade away Kesler for a d-man right now.

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08-04-2011, 09:59 PM
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no chance i would trade Kesler, He is a team guy and plays with heart

Also Webers cap hit is to high, for a team that takes less to play here.

So a BIG no on that trade

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08-04-2011, 10:01 PM
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Weber may be the better player, but Kesler's cheap long term contract makes him more valuable than Weber.

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08-04-2011, 10:05 PM
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After thinking about it a bit, if Cody Hodgson is ready, I'd make that trade.

Long term, I'd prefer to have Weber.

Defensemen generally age much better then forwards do, and I don't the kind of game Kesler plays is one that will age well as he gets older.

(and i think the Sedins game will age much better as well).

Kesler is such a favourite of mine, this sucks to consider.

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08-04-2011, 10:47 PM
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I have to admit that it was tempting to say yes. However, I have to say no mainly because I don't think it improves the team. In fact it just might take away from the over-all offense of the team.
Not to mention the fact that Kesler's contact is better for the team.

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08-04-2011, 11:09 PM
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If you can guarantee that Weber is signed for at least the next 5 yrs at, at most $6mill/yr, yes, I'd make that swap in a second. I'm a huge Kesler fan and don't want to see him go anywhere, but contracts aside, there are a handful of players in the league I'd swap him for. Weber is one of them.

Weber is and will be one of the top-3 dmen in the game for a long time. It's like having Pronger before he hit his prime and still a total dominant force on the ice.

If you can get that franchise dman to build your defense around longterm, Kesler is a piece I'd give up.

Problem with value to the team here is with the contract. Kesler brings a great many things to the table, but the most difficult to replace is that $5mill cap hit for all the things he brings. That's HUGE value to the team. But if you can get that same value from a franchise player like Weber, I'd do that swap in a second.

Of course, best case scenario is that he signs here as a UFA. And until he signs that long term deal, there's still hope. I'm happy waiting 2 years to find out and keep Kesler in the process.
I'm shocked that you would do this trade. It leaves us with a hole much bigger than the one it fixes.

do you remember the playoffs? This team had all kinds of trouble scoring WITH Kesler in the lineup.. It would be a disaster without him.

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08-04-2011, 11:55 PM
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it would be 100% worth it, just to see the flames fans faces when he lifts the cup in a canucks jersey
I agree itd be fun to watch their reaction.
But the cap structure would be all out of wack having Iginla as our top payed player. Only guys who can out produce the Sedins should be paid more than them.

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08-04-2011, 11:58 PM
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I'm shocked that you would do this trade. It leaves us with a hole much bigger than the one it fixes.

do you remember the playoffs? This team had all kinds of trouble scoring WITH Kesler in the lineup.. It would be a disaster without him.
yes I know how valuable Kesler is to the Canucks, and it would definitely hurt to lose him. But IMO franchise dman are next to impossible to get, and if you can get a player of Weber's calibre - like I said a young Chris Pronger who's already dominant and just starting to get into his prime years - I'd make that deal, granted you get that player long-term at below market value (which is what we have with Kesler).

Losing Kesler would hurt, but IMO it would still be a lot easier to build a dominant team without Kesler and with Weber than the other way around. Again moot point because you'd never get Weber at that type of contract, but if you could, I'd make that trade.

But like I said, I'd much rather wait 2 yrs till he's a UFA and try and build a team with both pieces.

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08-05-2011, 12:12 AM
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I doubt Gillis trades a core player away. I believe him when he says he doesn't ask people to waive thier NTCs.

Now that the FA market has been picked over I think Gillis might be finished tinkering.

If I was Gillis and wanted to force a move, I'd dangle a former Moose in front of Winnipeg. They seem to have some guys unhappy about moving to Winnipeg.

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I'd say no to Kesler/Weber because of the hole it leaves in the Top 6 and the logjam we'd have on D.

I don't think I'd ever do it but if it was going to happen it would need to include someone like Colin Wilson/Hornqvist coming back.


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Yeah like when Nashville, who arguably has the top d pairing in the NHL used them to match up to Kesler in the 2nd round
They did not.

They played against the Sedins and they shut them down completely outside of game three (three points combined in the other five games).

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08-08-2011, 02:49 PM
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They did not.

They played against the Sedins and they shut them down completely outside of game three (three points combined in the other five games).
They started using that pairing more and more against Kesler as the series went on, because the Sedins were rendered completely ineffective even when matched up against the SOB pairing.

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They started using that pairing more and more against Kesler as the series went on, because the Sedins were rendered completely ineffective even when matched up against the SOB pairing.
This answer is the most correct. Sedins couldn't pick their spots on Rinne which is why they weren't scoring. It's also why they can't score in the playoffs against any other top 10 goalie in the league. They have next to nothing to give in the hard shot category.

If they go through another rough go in the playoffs again, you'd have to at least consider putting them on the second line in the playoffs. The only goalies they've lit up in their playoff career are Niemi and Quick.

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