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08-08-2011, 05:29 PM
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Enroth is not questionable goaltending...
Reimer is questionable and he's played two and a half times the number of games Enroth has. It's a question of experience. He could do very well. He could implode. We'd just have to see.

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I wouldn't call Filatov a ''desperate prayer'' if that's who your referring to...
Actually, I was ignoring him entirely. Deliberately.

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They finished higher last season without the big two for most of it. Now your taking away every teams two best players and they finish lower?
Yes. Malkin and Crosby both played half a season each and contributed 103 combined points, so this is not a reasonable argument.

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08-08-2011, 06:04 PM
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FORWARDS
Andrew Brunette ($2.000m) / Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m)
Michael Frolik ($2.333m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Bryan Bickell ($0.541m) / Marcus Kruger ($0.900m) / Ben Smith ($0.812m)
Viktor Stalberg ($0.875m) / Jamal Mayers ($0.550m) / Daniel Carcillo ($0.775m)
/ Rostislav Olesz ($3.125m)

DEFENSEMEN
Brent Seabrook ($5.800m) / Steve Montador ($2.750m)
Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m) / Nick Leddy ($1.116m)
Sean O'Donnell ($0.850m) / Sami Lepisto ($0.750m)
John Scott ($0.512m)

GOALTENDERS
Corey Crawford ($2.666m) / Alexander Salak ($0.612m)

Thin down the middle, but still a relatively decent hockey team.

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08-08-2011, 06:46 PM
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FORWARDS
Andrew Brunette ($2.000m) / Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m)
Michael Frolik ($2.333m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Bryan Bickell ($0.541m) / Marcus Kruger ($0.900m) / Ben Smith ($0.812m)
Viktor Stalberg ($0.875m) / Jamal Mayers ($0.550m) / Daniel Carcillo ($0.775m)
/ Rostislav Olesz ($3.125m)

DEFENSEMEN
Brent Seabrook ($5.800m) / Steve Montador ($2.750m)
Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m) / Nick Leddy ($1.116m)
Sean O'Donnell ($0.850m) / Sami Lepisto ($0.750m)
John Scott ($0.512m)

GOALTENDERS
Corey Crawford ($2.666m) / Alexander Salak ($0.612m)

Thin down the middle, but still a relatively decent hockey team.
That defense is extremely weak without Keith considering he plays 30+ minutes. The offense is decent but this team would be giving up way too many goals.

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08-08-2011, 07:34 PM
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Enroth is not questionable goaltending...
Over the course of an 82 game season? Yes he is.

Especially given his AHL numbers were pretty pedestrian.

The team can win with Enroth in short spurts, but a full season is another beast entirely. Especially with goaltenders, where there is a rich history of guys doing well and falling back to Earth the next season.

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08-08-2011, 07:45 PM
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Canucks with no Sedins?

Still top-3 in the conference, easily.

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08-08-2011, 07:47 PM
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No Kessel or Phaneuf...

MacArthur - Grabovski - Kulemin
Kadri - Connolly - Lupul
Frattin - Bozak* - Armstrong
Brown - Dupuis - Orr/Rosehill

Liles - Schenn
Gunnarsson - Franson
Aulie - Komisarek

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*If Lombardi is well enough to play, he'll be the 3rd line centre, moving Bozak to the wing and Frattin to the AHL.

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08-08-2011, 07:57 PM
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lets just put it this way NYR without Lundqvist and Staal were not looking to good

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08-08-2011, 07:58 PM
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I think this should be changed to, take your top 2 centers away. That's what devastates alot of the cup contenders the most. Take Krejci and Bergeron away from Boston. Zetterberg and Datsyuk away from Detroit. Briere and Giroux away from Philly, they're bottom feeders if that happens now.

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08-08-2011, 08:09 PM
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I think this should be changed to, take your top 2 centers away. That's what devastates alot of the cup contenders the most. Take Krejci and Bergeron away from Boston. Zetterberg and Datsyuk away from Detroit. Briere and Giroux away from Philly, they're bottom feeders if that happens now.
As a Flames fan this is a list I could get behind! 2 of Langkow, Backlund or Jokinen lost when the Canucks are losing Sedin and Kesler, sounds fair to me.

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08-08-2011, 08:19 PM
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I think this should be changed to, take your top 2 centers away. That's what devastates alot of the cup contenders the most. Take Krejci and Bergeron away from Boston. Zetterberg and Datsyuk away from Detroit. Briere and Giroux away from Philly, they're bottom feeders if that happens now.
I object, on the basis that we just picked up Carter and if we're taking away centers I'd want to keep Voracek.

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08-08-2011, 08:23 PM
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That defense is extremely weak without Keith considering he plays 30+ minutes. The offense is decent but this team would be giving up way too many goals.
It's not so much the D itself, rather what losing Keith would do to the pairings. There is no way in hell I'd put Montador with Seabs. They are both slower than Leddy AND Hammer, which would lead them to be completely abused on transition D. Hell, Seabs sucks as it is in transition and really needs a much faster skater that can get back and cover for his mistakes. In other words its not the individual personel as much as it is the sum of its parts. With Campbell on the roster the loss of Keith could be somewhat mitigated.

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08-08-2011, 08:27 PM
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FORWARDS
Andrew Brunette ($2.000m) / Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m)
Michael Frolik ($2.333m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Bryan Bickell ($0.541m) / Marcus Kruger ($0.900m) / Ben Smith ($0.812m)
Viktor Stalberg ($0.875m) / Jamal Mayers ($0.550m) / Daniel Carcillo ($0.775m)
/ Rostislav Olesz ($3.125m)

DEFENSEMEN
Brent Seabrook ($5.800m) / Steve Montador ($2.750m)
Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m) / Nick Leddy ($1.116m)
Sean O'Donnell ($0.850m) / Sami Lepisto ($0.750m)
John Scott ($0.512m)

GOALTENDERS
Corey Crawford ($2.666m) / Alexander Salak ($0.612m)

Thin down the middle, but still a relatively decent hockey team.
Losing Toews for any significant stretch would really screw us in the faceoff area. The Hawks are a 51 % FO team with his 57% and taking a majority of the draws. With nary a player (unless Jamal excels in them, I don't know) that can conistently get even 47%, I think it's safe to say we'd be last in the league. So not only do you lose Toews' two way impact, you likely lose a lot more draws in both zones, resulting in fewer goals scored and more given up.

On paper we look okay, but these are really two players that fill irreplaceable roles on the team. Not that this couldn't be said about several other teams as well....

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08-08-2011, 09:11 PM
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08-08-2011, 09:21 PM
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I object, on the basis that we just picked up Carter and if we're taking away centers I'd want to keep Voracek.
I'm pretty sure he played wing in Philly? Just say he's a winger and you can give up Brass and Vermette instead.

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Heck it has to be the Leafs.


You just tell me who the "Two best" are supposed to be and I'll make up a line-up. :p

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#7: Columbus (Nash, Carter) - Good two-way blueline and forwards, but nothing resembling any standout talents. And that's not even taking into account the question marks in goal...
With those 2 gone and Huselieus injured how does the top 6 look opening night? A bit ignorant on the possible prospects ready to fill in for a scoring role right away but I would think that Mason would have to have a Vezina year that puts Thomas' last season to shame and Johansen takes Selanne out of the record books for them to make the playoffs otherwise isn't someone like Pahlsson on the second line?

I think bottom 5 in the West are (in no order):
Oilers
Preds (2 of Weber, Suter, Rinne) as not even Trotz could fix that up
Flames as Iginla is far too valuable to the team despite having decent scoring depth(I think I would take out Bouwmeester/Giordano though)
Jackets, but maybe I'm just heavily underestimating their depth
Colorado as O'Reilly would be their top line center.

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With those 2 gone and Huselieus injured how does the top 6 look opening night? A bit ignorant on the possible prospects ready to fill in for a scoring role right away but I would think that Mason would have to have a Vezina year that puts Thomas' last season to shame and Johansen takes Selanne out of the record books for them to make the playoffs otherwise isn't someone like Pahlsson on the second line?

I think bottom 5 in the West are (in no order):
Oilers
Preds (2 of Weber, Suter, Rinne) as not even Trotz could fix that up
Flames as Iginla is far too valuable to the team despite having decent scoring depth(I think I would take out Bouwmeester/Giordano though)
Jackets, but maybe I'm just heavily underestimating their depth
Colorado as O'Reilly would be their top line center.
I posted a full Jackets roster earlier, although I cheated and included Huselius. See here: http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=3...3&postcount=43

The top 6 were as follows:
Prospal-Brassard-Umberger
Huselius-Vermette-Calvert

With Huselius out, Calvert would hop over to the left and we'd probably consider moving up one of our RW rookies, such as Kubalik (24-29-53 in 76gp in Springfield last year, 0-2-2 in 4 in the NHL) or Atkinson (Hobey Baker finalist with 31-21-52 in 39gp at Boston College, and 3-2-5 in 5gp in Springfield to end the season). It'd be risky, but not unprecedented - our second line at the start of 08-09 (the last playoff year) consisted of rookies Brassard and Voracek playing alongside Jason Chimera.

I have Minnesota in my bottom 5, but that's frankly because I think their blueline is poor even before you take anyone off their roster.

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I think this should be changed to, take your top 2 centers away. That's what devastates alot of the cup contenders the most. Take Krejci and Bergeron away from Boston. Zetterberg and Datsyuk away from Detroit. Briere and Giroux away from Philly, they're bottom feeders if that happens now.
No Hank/Kesler for the Canucks would hurt bad, that's for sure.

Line-up would have to look like:

Sedin-Hodgson-Burrows
Strum-Raymond-Samuelsson
Higgins-Malhotra-Hansen
Nolan/Duco-Lapierre-Oreskovich

But maybe not as bad as some other teams out there. Red Wings with no Datsyuk/Zetterberg would be brutal. And Penguins without Malkin/Crosby year-round... Canes without Staal/Skinner... Bolts without Stamkos/Lecav

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Detroit.
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I think this should be changed to, take your top 2 centers away. That's what devastates alot of the cup contenders the most. Take Krejci and Bergeron away from Boston. Zetterberg and Datsyuk away from Detroit. Briere and Giroux away from Philly, they're bottom feeders if that happens now.
Zetterberg mostly plays left wing.

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Just want to point out Rinne and Suter were out for awhile to start last season. Lindback is a good back-up.

Nashville's system would keep them in it.

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I think this should be changed to, take your top 2 centers away. That's what devastates alot of the cup contenders the most. Take Krejci and Bergeron away from Boston. Zetterberg and Datsyuk away from Detroit. Briere and Giroux away from Philly, they're bottom feeders if that happens now.
Conversely, if you take away a goalie it screws teams like the Rangers, Bolts, Sabres, and Ducks.

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Zetterberg mostly plays left wing.
984 faceoffs, which led the Red Wings, say otherwise. In fact, he's led the Red Wings in faceoffs taken in each of the past four seasons, and was second behind Kris Draper before that.

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Last year Isles had no Mark Streit and Okposo was out for half the year. We also had the most man games lost, and do I really have to go into the DP situation!?

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