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08-17-2011, 01:05 PM
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08-17-2011, 01:15 PM
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Glenn Healy

Not much can be said about his play elsewhere as it was less then spectacular.

My opinion is as a back up for us, he was just as important to Richter and the record we carried in 93/94 as Biron is to Hank today and keeping us in the playoff race last season.

A nod goes out to

James Patrick
Jan Erixon
Sergei Nemchinov
Darron Langdon who was overshadowed by the loss of Kocur
Nicklas Sundstrom, great two way player
Radek Dvorak could score & assist equally but was decent in his own end as well.
Verbeek, not becasue he was overlooked but becasue he could see the team was run poorly at the time and left for greener pastures...and he was right, on Dallas & Detroit.

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08-17-2011, 01:30 PM
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I'll third Nedved.

He was on some godawful teams and will unfortunately always have that stigma attached to his tenure here.

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08-17-2011, 01:31 PM
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Scott Gomez... he was far from bad for the Rangers. Had, what I think anyway, was a great year in 2007-08. As far as his 2nd and last season with NYR... you try putting up big numbers when your team's top wingers are an old Markus Naslund and Nikolai Zherdev.

And he brought us back McDonagh.

Had he signed a more reasonable 5 mill/yr deal and was given the role of 2C I think we'd all appreciate him a little more.

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08-17-2011, 01:42 PM
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Scott Gomez... he was far from bad for the Rangers. Had, what I think anyway, was a great year in 2007-08. As far as his 2nd and last season with NYR... you try putting up big numbers when your team's top wingers are an old Markus Naslund and Nikolai Zherdev.

And he brought us back McDonagh.

Had he signed a more reasonable 5 mill/yr deal and was given the role of 2C I think we'd all appreciate him a little more.
Can't agree with this. If the best thing you can say about a guy is what he returned in a trade, that's not a guy who's under-appreciated.

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08-17-2011, 01:43 PM
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Bernie Nicholls

Without him we don't acquire Mark Messier and the future considerations that become Jeff Beukeboom.

Any intelligent Ranger fan appreciated Zubov, how could you not after the year he had when Leetch was injured. The problem was Neil Smith wasn't an intelligent Ranger fan and Craig Patrick was.
I believe Beukeboom was traded for David Shaw, which came after the Messier trade but was still apart of it.

Back on topic...I'll add another guy, my favorite as a kid, Mark Pavelich.

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08-17-2011, 02:00 PM
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Zubov was under-appreciated. Not unappreciated, but under-appreciated. Still hurts that he wasn't a Ranger for a longer period of time. Ask Ken Hitchcock how good an NHL player Sergei Zubov was. Probably the second best skater after Modano on those excellent Dallas teams.

I guess part of the reason why such a talented player seems under-appreciated to me has to do with some Leetch guy who I think played in NY during the same time.

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08-17-2011, 02:24 PM
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08-17-2011, 05:23 PM
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I don't think anyone doesn't appreciate what Zubov was and did for this team.

The Mitchell comparison is off. Mitchell was a bit, role player. Zubov was the Rangers leading scorer in the regular season. He was much more important to the Rangers than Mitchell was to the Mets.
What I meant by the Mitchell thing was that he was a blooming star traded for some really dumb reasons before he even hit his peak as with Zubov. Wihtout Mitchell the Mets don't have nearly as much success, the guy played practically every position and actually wanted to be there. Maybe Game 6 of the 86 WS doesn't happen without Mitchell because he was the guy who was at the plate when it was tied. Kevin McReynolds was decent for two seasons and could care less. Never liked him as a kid.

Zubov deserves more credit. He's never grouped with the Fab 4 or even get the credit of Kovalev, but he was right with all those guys in every important play and his passing and vision were imperative to the Cup win. Organization should bring him back already, NOT to retire his number but if Matteau and Anderson can come back for games and do alumni stuff, so should Zubov.

As for other guys mentioned;

Healy was one of the only things that kept those late 80s/early 90s Islander teams competitive and was key in their 92-93 run. He was a great pickup when they knew Beezer was gone.

Nedved-Guy wasn't that good. Sorry, but he was never clutch, too soft, and only had 2 good seasons in NY. He was relied upon to be a constant threat and top 6 but could NEVER carry a team and he fanned on that wrist shot once a game. To me, he is the epitome of the dark years.

I'll add one guy to stir it up;
Kevin Weekes-Yes, his tenure was brief and he really only had one good season, but he helped Henrik out a lot, and it was HIM who ended the dark years and got this team back in the playoffs with that crazy shoot out win over Philly.

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08-17-2011, 06:33 PM
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I'll third Nedved.

He was on some godawful teams and will unfortunately always have that stigma attached to his tenure here.
Yep. He was one of the few consistently good players for us during a dark, dark time.

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08-17-2011, 08:48 PM
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Leetch, Barnaby, Straka, Prust.
I don't think Leetch was under appreciated. Or even Prust for that matter.

Like others, I say Nedved.

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Prust is definitely not under-appreciated. I think every Ranger fan appreciates the **** out of him. I also think almost every well-knowledgeable hockey fan knows exactly what Prust did with us so far over what he did on Calgary.

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08-18-2011, 12:37 AM
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Park.

Best Ranger I ever saw and Hall of Famer, and Graves had his number retired ahead of him.

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Nedved, Ruotsalainen, Vanbiesbrouck, and Jan Erixon.

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Nedved-Guy wasn't that good. Sorry, but he was never clutch, too soft, and only had 2 good seasons in NY. He was relied upon to be a constant threat and top 6 but could NEVER carry a team and he fanned on that wrist shot once a game. To me, he is the epitome of the dark years.
Nedved was the only player who showed up to play most nights on those teams. The very reasons you state are why he is underappreciated. He was a second-line complimentary player, but in NY he was expected to carry the team and be a gamebreaker. That's not his fault, it's management's. They built a terrible team and he was one of the only players on it who seemed to care.

The fact is, he averaged 62 points a season during his tenure here. That's respectable. If you expected him to repeat the 99 points he got playing wing for Lemieux, you're out of your mind.

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I'm telling you guys, Mike Rozsival. He was a good player for us for a long time. Part of the "renaissance" as well. And the guy was getting booed after picking up assists? Insanity.

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I'm telling you guys, Mike Rozsival. He was a good player for us for a long time. Part of the "renaissance" as well. And the guy was getting booed after picking up assists? Insanity.
It may be insane but it is hardly abnormal for fans. Too many fans boo a Rozsival while cheering limited ability dmen who they perceive as physical.

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Park.

Best Ranger I ever saw and Hall of Famer, and Graves had his number retired ahead of him.
Park > Graves

But, we are talking about #2

Leetch > Park

17 seasons as a NYR > 8 as a NYR

As a Ranger
1129gp 981p(2nd all time NYR both categories) > 465gp 378p

Career
1205gp 1028p > 1113gp 896p

Stanley Cup + Conn Smythe > n/a
Norris x2 > n/a (granted because of Orr)

Playoffs as Ranger
82gp 89p (#1 all time NYR) > 64gp 44p

#2 rightfully should have Leetch's name attached to it in the rafters.

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It may be insane but it is hardly abnormal for fans. Too many fans boo a Rozsival while cheering limited ability dmen who they perceive as physical.
Very true. And quite a shame.

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Who's the limited ability defenseman in this case?

Sauer? He's much better defensively then Rozsival is on his best day.

Eminger? He's a 7th defenseman basically getting league minimum, not getting paid 5+ mil to be our #1 like Rozsival was.

That said, Rozsival (and Malik, and Poti IMO) deserved less venom then they got.

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Can't agree with this. If the best thing you can say about a guy is what he returned in a trade, that's not a guy who's under-appreciated.
McDonagh was a nice bonus... I think the best thing he did for the Rangers was his 2007-08 season and his playoff run, which was also very good.

He's certainly not THE most underappreciated Ranger, but many perceive him as useless in his time here and I don't think that's a fair statement.

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