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08-18-2011, 12:36 PM
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Were doing great without the cancer in the lockerroom. At the end of the day we were happy to get rid of him, you were happy to take him. Neither team came out of it looking great. We are no different then we were before the trade. Dion was awful here other then his first year. As I before the only bad part of that trade was re-signing Stajan. Hagman is a great player for what hes being paid. White was turned over for Anton so thats a huge plus. The only real loss for us was Aulie. Since this has nothing to do with the OP.

The trade itself isn't that bad. It just doesn't make sense for the Leafs. They would risk to much trading Reimer. Thats not to say he could just be a complete bust, but you cant trade him until you know. As for the Flames there in a win one with the current core they have so unless they decide to head for a rebuild which they wont until the deadline imo they wouldnt make this trade either.
Yeah no. Toronto has a winning record with Phaneuf. Worked out pretty damn well for us. Oh and we got a young prospect with top 4 dman potential written all over him.

The only bad part was resigning Stajan, giving up a top prospect, and not losing any cap space from the trade.

Anton is a nice piece but he really only brings one thing Phaneuf took with him and thats offense (and really he doesnt even compare to Phaneuf in that regard. His career high in any pro league he has ever played in, is only 5 points higher than Phaneufs career worst. Plus Antons only done that once. His 2nd best is 27)

The Flames lost this trade and its not even debatable in the slightest.

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08-18-2011, 12:42 PM
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Yeah no. Toronto has a winning record with Phaneuf. Worked out pretty damn well for us. Oh and we got a young prospect with top 4 dman potential written all over him.

The only bad part was resigning Stajan, giving up a top prospect, and not losing any cap space from the trade.

Anton is a nice piece but he really only brings one thing Phaneuf took with him and thats offense (and really he doesnt even compare to Phaneuf in that regard. His career high in any pro league he has ever played in, is only 5 points higher than Phaneufs career worst. Plus Antons only done that once. His 2nd best is 27)

The Flames lost this trade and its not even debatable in the slightest.
Sure we will go with that, at the end of the day I know as much about the Leafs as you do the Flames so no point in judging.

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08-18-2011, 12:44 PM
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Can you by chance post a link about this cancer that was Phaneuf, cause i only heard this from fans POST trade.
Also, as far as the OP, i wouldn't make this deal as even i admit that IF we were to just make the playoffs this season that would be a huge step. Kipper's age and decline kind of hinder this deal, and having to give our 1st in what is to be a very good draft kills it.
If you look online there were many problems with him, Im not in the dressing room of course but the problems that came up with him were sleeping with conroys wife, and fighting Iggy and Regher.

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08-18-2011, 01:15 PM
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If you look online there were many problems with him, Im not in the dressing room of course but the problems that came up with him were sleeping with conroys wife, and fighting Iggy and Regher.
Got a link that says he slept with Conroy's wife?

Like you said; you aren't in the dressing room.

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08-18-2011, 01:23 PM
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Can you by chance post a link about this cancer that was Phaneuf, cause i only heard this from fans POST trade.

Also, as far as the OP, i wouldn't make this deal as even i admit that IF we were to just make the playoffs this season that would be a huge step. Kipper's age and decline kind of hinder this deal, and having to give our 1st in what is to be a very good draft kills it.
http://communities.canada.com/regina...n-phaneuf.aspx

http://sports-opinionated.com/2010/0...or-the-flames/

I really don't care enough to do a thorough search, but there were tons of rumours prior to the trade that Phaneuf didn't get along with Regehr or Iginla, that he'd slept with Conroy's wife, etc. etc. I have no idea how much credence to lend to any of the "locker room cancer" crap surrounding Phaneuf (I personally ignore it and consider the trade to be a massive failure), but I will say that the rumours did exist. You didn't hear about them because you probably didn't give a crap until he became Leafs property.

Phaneuf being bad in the room was not a rationalization created by fans to justify a crappy trade; it was a rumour that had been floating around for at least a year prior to the trade, which was subsequently latched onto as a rationalization to justify the crappy trade. Either way you slice it, I think the people who use it as justification are wrong, but you're also wrong in your implication that it was totally fabricated as a post-trade concept.

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08-18-2011, 01:28 PM
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If you look online there were many problems with him, Im not in the dressing room of course but the problems that came up with him were sleeping with conroys wife, and fighting Iggy and Regher.
Never happened! Get your facts straight before printing garbage.

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08-18-2011, 01:33 PM
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http://communities.canada.com/regina...n-phaneuf.aspx

http://sports-opinionated.com/2010/0...or-the-flames/

I really don't care enough to do a thorough search, but there were tons of rumours prior to the trade that Phaneuf didn't get along with Regehr or Iginla, that he'd slept with Conroy's wife, etc. etc. I have no idea how much credence to lend to any of the "locker room cancer" crap surrounding Phaneuf (I personally ignore it and consider the trade to be a massive failure), but I will say that the rumours did exist. You didn't hear about them because you probably didn't give a crap until he became Leafs property.

Phaneuf being bad in the room was not a rationalization created by fans to justify a crappy trade; it was a rumour that had been floating around for at least a year prior to the trade, which was subsequently latched onto as a rationalization to justify the crappy trade. Either way you slice it, I think the people who use it as justification are wrong, but you're also wrong in your implication that it was totally fabricated as a post-trade concept.
Both of those are from after he was traded though... they're also pretty hilarious in hind sight reading them now.

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Jokinen goes on to say that the rumours of Phaneuf being a cancer in the locker room are untrue but this says something entirely different. The poster claims a friend told them about a story that aired on a radio station that claimed Flames captain Jarome Iginla put Phaneuf in his place after a hissy fit.
So the proof is a poster on a Calgary Flames web site who claims his friend told him about something he heard on the radio? Sounds really reliable


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Sure we will go with that, at the end of the day I know as much about the Leafs as you do the Flames so no point in judging.
I doubt that. I know almost as much about that Flames as I do about the Leafs.

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Yes Kipper is still an all-star goalie, but IMO he hasn't been playing as good as he can lately.

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http://communities.canada.com/regina...n-phaneuf.aspx

http://sports-opinionated.com/2010/0...or-the-flames/

I really don't care enough to do a thorough search, but there were tons of rumours prior to the trade that Phaneuf didn't get along with Regehr or Iginla, that he'd slept with Conroy's wife, etc. etc. I have no idea how much credence to lend to any of the "locker room cancer" crap surrounding Phaneuf (I personally ignore it and consider the trade to be a massive failure), but I will say that the rumours did exist. You didn't hear about them because you probably didn't give a crap until he became Leafs property.

Phaneuf being bad in the room was not a rationalization created by fans to justify a crappy trade; it was a rumour that had been floating around for at least a year prior to the trade, which was subsequently latched onto as a rationalization to justify the crappy trade. Either way you slice it, I think the people who use it as justification are wrong, but you're also wrong in your implication that it was totally fabricated as a post-trade concept.
Lol. There was never any rumors of him sleeping with Conroys wife. Rumors of him fighting with Iggy and Regehr were pretty much limited to after the trade as well. Prior to the trade, IIRC Sutter was asked about any problems between Iggy and Phaneuf and it was flat out denied. It happened once and was media borne.

Ive followed Phaneuf since he was in Junior. The only so called rumors that existed when he was in Calgary, were those of him being a partier and occasionally partaking in coke. Nothing of the sort was proven (outside of a video or two of him drinking, which half the population of Canada does anyways, woopdeedoo).

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Both of those are from after he was traded though... they're also pretty hilarious in hind sight reading them now.

Edit: This is the "proof" in this article:


So the proof is a poster on a Calgary Flames web site who claims his friend told him about something he heard on the radio? Sounds really reliable
Not to mention that the story was heard on an EDMONTON RADIO STATION! If that doesnt scream unreliable, Im not sure what does.

Oh and the article with that post was written by a blogger (not a reporter) and an affiliate (not a reputable) site of canada.com.

Both those articles are from blogger wannabees on second rate sites only writing rumors of those incidents.

There is no proof of any such incidents. They didnt happen and furthermore didnt exist.

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Oh man, this is turning into a mess. At the end of the day, the Phaneuf trade worked for both teams. No need to get into who "won" the trade or who sucks harder. Right now, both teams are struggling.

That trade really doesn't make much sense. Toronto isn't in a place to be giving up 1st rounders right now unless it was packaged for a 1st line centremen. And Kipper isn't the goalie he used to be or so it seems the past few seasons. Plus, I'm interested to see how Reimer does this season. The kid seems to be a great fit and a fan favourite.

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08-18-2011, 02:02 PM
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TOR
Kiprusoff

CGY
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1st rounder

TOR gets a goalie that will get them in the playoffs
CGY gets a much need first and will have two young goalies to work with
Who hired you to troll the Flames fanbase?

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Oh man, this is turning into a mess. At the end of the day, the Phaneuf trade worked for both teams. No need to get into who "won" the trade or who sucks harder. Right now, both teams are struggling.

That trade really doesn't make much sense. Toronto isn't in a place to be giving up 1st rounders right now unless it was packaged for a 1st line centremen. And Kipper isn't the goalie he used to be or so it seems the past few seasons. Plus, I'm interested to see how Reimer does this season. The kid seems to be a great fit and a fan favourite.
The trade most certainly did not work out well for Calgary at all. Only a fool believes that trading a number one defenseman for scraps actually helps a team. Calgary even squandered the cap space they saved on that deal. That trade was one of the biggest trades of the past ten years and rocked the foundation of the NHL. Toronto has their new captain, and teams in the east have never been more afraid.

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The trade most certainly did not work out well for Calgary at all. Only a fool believes that trading a number one defenseman for scraps actually helps a team. Calgary even squandered the cap space they saved on that deal. That trade was one of the biggest trades of the past ten years and rocked the foundation of the NHL. Toronto has their new captain, and teams in the east have never been more afraid.
Look, you can't have it both ways. Either both fanbases can tell themselves what they need to tell themselves so they can sleep at night, or neither can. You can't in one breath say Flames fans are deluding themselves and in the next deal in Leafs fantasies.

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Look, you can't have it both ways. Either both fanbases can tell themselves what they need to tell themselves so they can sleep at night, or neither can. You can't in one breath say Flames fans are deluding themselves and in the next deal in Leafs fantasies.
I don't understand, what specific part of my post did you take issue with?

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yes. but if he flops you will get nothing for him
If he flops we get a top 10 pick and we don't add a ****** aging goalie.

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go to the toilet and wipe better cause dawg... some of u r full of it btw thats a horrible proposal

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yea no.

we already robbed the phaneuf trade we are good from you guys for now

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The trade most certainly did not work out well for Calgary at all. Only a fool believes that trading a number one defenseman for scraps actually helps a team. Calgary even squandered the cap space they saved on that deal. That trade was one of the biggest trades of the past ten years and rocked the foundation of the NHL. Toronto has their new captain, and teams in the east have never been more afraid.

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yea no.

we already robbed the phaneuf trade we are good from you guys for now
lol. Phaneuf for Norris!>!!!!!!!!111

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Lol. There was never any rumors of him sleeping with Conroys wife. Rumors of him fighting with Iggy and Regehr were pretty much limited to after the trade as well. Prior to the trade, IIRC Sutter was asked about any problems between Iggy and Phaneuf and it was flat out denied. It happened once and was media borne.

Ive followed Phaneuf since he was in Junior. The only so called rumors that existed when he was in Calgary, were those of him being a partier and occasionally partaking in coke. Nothing of the sort was proven (outside of a video or two of him drinking, which half the population of Canada does anyways, woopdeedoo).
I remember rumours circulating prior to the trade, but either way, it shouldn't matter when the rumours started to circulate. What should matter is that they're a stupid thing to discuss in the context of the trade, because they're just that; rumours. Sutter was fleeced, end of story.

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yea no.

we already robbed the phaneuf trade we are good from you guys for now
Yeah give it another 18 years and we can come make a blockbuster with the Flames again

The Flames just need to go to St Louis, plant some stories about a guy like Oshie and make a trade for him then

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I remember rumours circulating prior to the trade, but either way, it shouldn't matter when the rumours started to circulate. What should matter is that they're a stupid thing to discuss in the context of the trade, because they're just that; rumours.
Very true my friend. Way to keep a level head (im not being facetious). Bringing it in to trade context really is counterproductive.

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The Leafs now have two of the meanest defensemen in the game - what opposing forwards wouldn't be wary of the Leafs?

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