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08-19-2011, 07:25 PM
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Who will make up the Rangers' top line?
Brad Richards and Marian Gaborik seem to be a lock to play on New York's No. 1 line. But who will be their left wing? The competition is wide open in training camp, but look for Brandon Dubinsky, Ruslan Fedotenko, Wojtek Wolski and maybe even Mats Zuccarello to get good looks out of camp.
Nice find!

This deserves its own thread.

It would spark some good conversation.

Ill make a new thread for it.

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08-19-2011, 09:43 PM
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AHL points don't equate to NHL points, either.

Anisimov at the age of 20, scored 37 goals, 81 points, in 80 games in the AHL.

He is going to be 23, and has yet to crack 50 points in the NHL. Which he probably will do.

On the flip side, David Booth never reached 20 goals in the NCAA, and played all four years. He scored 30 and never scores less then 20(when healthy) in the NHL.

Scoring or not scoring x amount in another league doesn't mean a player will or wont score x amount in the NHL.

You have to look at what a player can do physically.

Zuccarello has physical limitations, plain and simple. Its not like working on his skating is going to add 5 inches and 50 pounds to him. He's still going to struggle against 6+ foot, 200+ pound defenders.

He still needs to be effective 5v5, too.

He needs to be more then a shootout specialist.

He can't PK, he wasn't getting PP time... what exactly is he contributing that say... Hagelin, couldn't? Hagelin would play the PK, guaranteed. That's at least an extra 2-3 minutes per game of ice time.

How about Thomas? Same issues with size, strength, and defensive liability...but he's by far a better skater and can shoot. And would probably get PP time.

I never said im rooting against Zuccarello. But being realistic, he wont stick in the NHL, not with the Rangers. Not when Kreider, Miller, Yogan, Fasth, and Thomas will all be competing for a spot in September 2012.

If he defies the odds, then Bless him. And great for us.

It doesn't benefit the Rangers if he fails, so why would I WANT that? Im rooting for him, but my expectations for this player are tame. The Rangers need creativity, but they also need a goal scorer, which he is not.
If I remeber it correct,he had 9 of his point from poweplay this season.
And what others say,the team laked creativity last year,in fact,they where boring to loock at at lomge periods.

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If I remeber it correct,he had 9 of his point from poweplay this season.
And what others say,the team laked creativity last year,in fact,they where boring to loock at at lomge periods.
From one Norwegian to another, your spelling is worse than usual and it is almost 5 am... Drunk?

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08-19-2011, 09:57 PM
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Doesn`t his QO have to be 5% or so above his actuall sallary on 900k?
I tought that bonus thing was just on entry level contracts?
I'll take your word for what his actual salary is--I couldn't find anything but his cap hit. But, the point is the same--Zuccarello has to prove he is a solid NHL player this season. If he doesn't, I would worry that he'll likely go back to playing in the SEL. And I think teams would have the same worry, making it harder to trade him (and give him a better chance to fit in somewhere else).

I do think he has a good chance to make the Rangers; as I said in an earlier post, he has creativity--something lacking on the Rangers as a team. He will get a long look in the training camp/pre-season.

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I'll take your word for what his actual salary is--I couldn't find anything but his cap hit. But, the point is the same--Zuccarello has to prove he is a solid NHL player this season. If he doesn't, I would worry that he'll likely go back to playing in the SEL. And I think teams would have the same worry, making it harder to trade him (and give him a better chance to fit in somewhere else).

I do think he has a good chance to make the Rangers; as I said in an earlier post, he has creativity--something lacking on the Rangers as a team. He will get a long look in the training camp/pre-season.
AS hellbent as he seems to make the team I wouldnt be surprised to see him take a pay cut to secure his continued stay with NYR if it was his CAP hit that were to determine that. That of course is just speculation, but he seems to love the team and being a hockeyplayer from Norway he is not exacrly used to make tons of money from his passion

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AS hellbent as he seems to make the team I wouldnt be surprised to see him take a pay cut to secure his continued stay with NYR if it was his CAP hit that were to determine that. That of course is just speculation, but he seems to love the team and being a hockeyplayer from Norway he is not exacrly used to make tons of money from his passion
I hope so, but I like watching him play, so I hope he makes the team, contributes and gets re-signed. It would be a win-win situation.

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I hope so, but I like watching him play, so I hope he makes the team, contributes and gets re-signed. It would be a win-win situation.
Yeah, as i see it he is very promising but still unproven.
It all depends on this coming season. He could kill and be a sure thing, but if its in the balance I would not be surprised to see him try to "sweeten the deal" by accepting a pay cut if that is what it takes. I think he has shown this off season he really wants it, now lets see how he does come camp

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08-19-2011, 10:21 PM
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Not trying to sound like a jerk but have you ever seen Rupp play? He can fight, win faceoffs, and score some occasional goals (usually against the Rangers)... he is not a super pest like Sean Avery. Rupp was brought here to handle some rough stuff, he is not a typical NHL enforcer, but he is filling Boogard's role, not Avery's. The only things they have in common is both will fight and both are best suited to be on the 3rd or 4th line. Avery also drew a ton of penalties, so just because you clearly dislike him you are ignoring the facts.

Fedotenko-Stepan-Avery... that is a grind down low line, just watch some highlights from the first game of the past season when the Rangers played the Sabres. Those goals came from work down low, not off the rush.

MZA was also benched at times and in some games really only saw the ice on the PP. You think he will be better based on what? Skating with Barb Underhill? He can work as hard as he wants, he is not a 3rd line player... he suffers from the same thing as Prucha, he is a top 6 player, being forced to play 3rd line where his lack of size, lack of speed, and defensive shortcomings will be exposed. For him to be his best he needs to be on a line with a finisher like Gabby or even Dubi IMO.

Avery is quite an expensive player for Depth purposes on a team that has little wiggle room in the cap. If you think MZA will beat Avery out for a roster spot you are more than entitled to that opinion, but if you are going to argue that someone who couldn't be trusted in the playoffs, was sent down because of that, and is being forced to play on the 3rd line when clearly they are not suited for that role you are mistaken. When it comes down to it, MZA can get top 6 ice in Hartford and be called up when he is needed, can't say that for Avery and that along with Avery would be slotted on the 3rd line where he belongs is why he wins that position as far as I am concerned.

And saying Torts does not like Avery is grasping at straws.
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The league stepped up here and I think they did the right thing. Enough is enough. He's embarrassed himself, he's embarrassed the organization, he's embarrassed the league and he's embarrassed his teammates, who have to look out for him. Send him home. He doesn't belong in the league.
http://*******************/articles/...ver-sean-avery

That is what John Tortorella said about Sean Avery when he was an analyst on TSN.

Grasping at straws?

I have seen Rupp play plenty and while he may not be as "pest-like" as Avery, he is still VERY hard to play against because of his size, skating, hitting and mean streak. On top of that he can actually fight heavyweights and he will most likely have a spot on the 4th line ahead of Avery. He fills his role better than what Avery could do.

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From one Norwegian to another, your spelling is worse than usual and it is almost 5 am... Drunk?
No Just very very tired. Just woked up for work,when I wrote that.But you are right,it looks like from a drunken sailor.

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The problem with MZA to me is that he doesnít have many options with the NYR. Heís either going to have to explode offensively as a pure goal scorer or a fantastic playmaker, or not. If can can accomplish the latter than he
Will be a success here. If he languishes and is streaky he should be moved or packaged to bring in a player that best
Fits our style of play.

One of the best things about this team right now is that itís starting to form itís identity as a grinding team that doesnít quit and is hard to play against. We need top end scoring and unless MZA can fit that fill I donít see how he fits this club because there is little else if anything he brings to this team.

His size is only an issue if he doesnít become the offensive force heís projected to be. Iím not looking for MZA to bring grit and physicality to this club.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=550643
Zuccarello making up for size with skill in N.Y.

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That is what John Tortorella said about Sean Avery when he was an analyst on TSN.

Grasping at straws?

I have seen Rupp play plenty and while he may not be as "pest-like" as Avery, he is still VERY hard to play against because of his size, skating, hitting and mean streak. On top of that he can actually fight heavyweights and he will most likely have a spot on the 4th line ahead of Avery. He fills his role better than what Avery could do.
How old is that quote? How many off-seasons has there been between the time those comments were made BEFORE Torts knew Avery and since Torts has been the coach?

Torts had guys he did not like such as Mara, Zherdev, Kotalik, and Redden sent packing, so yes your argument is grasping at straws since there is no definitive proof that Torts still does not like Avery. If he really didn't like him do you think he would still be here? Really? Avery is no superstar and if Torts wanted him gone he would be gone, you are just being foolish.

Where did I ever say Rupp wasn't hard to play against? Do you read my posts or just respond whatever you feel like saying? Just like MZA and Avery have different skill sets and jobs, the same can be said of Rupp and Avery. Avery is a pest, a catalyst, who is good behind the net for cycling and he draws just as many penalties as he takes, best suited for 3rd line duty as there is little chance for him to have much of an impact playing on the 4th. Rupp on the other hand can handle the rough stuff, win faceoffs, even play the PK or stand in front of the net on the PP if really needed (not likely), he can impact a game playing just a few minutes (via fight or an odd goal from time to time) but is best suited for the 4th line. Rupp and Avery have little to do with one another, Prust is a better comparison to Avery and we all know which player is more important to the team.

You obviously have some anti-avery agenda, and hey I don't care thats your deal, but your argument is flawed.

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