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08-12-2011, 09:47 PM
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CapGeek confirms it's a two-way; $55k/$550k.

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08-13-2011, 03:29 AM
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Love it. Excited to see what he can do. At worst I think he can be a servicable bottom pairing PP specialist like Marc-Andre Bergeron. He's got a lot of potential and a coveted skillset. I think his ceiling could be really high. However, it's early days in his career and this contract lets us take him year by year.

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Haven't read through the entire thread, so my bad if this was already mentioned.

Our top 6 is pretty much locked in for the next two seasons with Myers, Ehrhoff, Regehr, Leopold, Sekera and Weber.

One year deal is fine because Grags is a spare part at the moment. When you factor in the talent in the pipeline he will have an awfully tough time sticking around past this season IMO.

Having said that I'm looking forward to see what he can do when the inevitable injuries hit the d-corp.

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So how does Pysyk get 900K and Gragnani only gets 550K? Is it a one-way/two-way thing or what? I'm confused.

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So how does Pysyk get 900K and Gragnani only gets 550K? Is it a one-way/two-way thing or what? I'm confused.
Mark Pysyk is a 19 year old top prospect and first round selection that got the rookie max entry-level contract (which mean's it's also a two-way).

Marc-André Gragnani is a 24 year old third round selection who has only played 22 NHL games in the four seasons in which he's been a professional player.
It was his qualifying offer this year after he got league minimum ($500,000) last year when most here thought he'd be better off going to Europe.

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08-14-2011, 05:39 AM
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So if he plays in the playoffs those games can be added with the regular games so he can get those 58 games played ?

I'd hate to lose him to UFA next year....Wonder if Darcy has something up his sleave in terms of moving a d-man (Leopold or Rej).....
Anyone know the answer to this question ?

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Anyone know the answer to this question ?
Since the 22 games includes his playoff games from this years, I think it's safe to assume the 58 = regular season + playoffs

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Yes, the playoff games count towards the 80.

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Mark Pysyk is a 19 year old top prospect and first round selection that got the rookie max entry-level contract (which mean's it's also a two-way).

Marc-André Gragnani is a 24 year old third round selection who has only played 22 NHL games in the four seasons in which he's been a professional player.
It was his qualifying offer this year after he got league minimum ($500,000) last year when most here thought he'd be better off going to Europe.
Thanks for the perspective; at least there is some explanation.

I guess I still don't get it, since Gragnani's 22 NHL games are 22 more than Pysyk has played; that, and you would think being voted the top defenseman in the AHL would be worth something.

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(i) Means any Player who is age 25 or older who has completed three (3) or more professional seasons, whose SPC has expired and: (i) in the case of a Player other than a goaltender, has played less than 80 NHL Games, or (ii) in the case of a goaltender, has played less than 28 NHL Games (for the purpose of this definition, a goaltender must have played a minimum of thirty (30) minutes in an NHL Game to register a game played). For the purposes of the foregoing, the term professional season shall: (A) for a Player aged 18 or 19, mean any season in which such Player plays in eleven (11) or more Professional Games (including NHL Regular Season and Playoff Games, minor league regular season and playoff games, and games played in any European professional league, while under an SPC), and (B) for a Player aged 20 or older, mean any season in which such Player plays in one or more Professional Games (including NHL Regular Season and Playoff Games, minor league regular season and playoff games, and games played in any European professional league, while under an SPC).
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Thanks for the perspective; at least there is some explanation.

I guess I still don't get it, since Gragnani's 22 NHL games are 22 more than Pysyk has played; that, and you would think being voted the top defenseman in the AHL would be worth something.
Last year he signed the minimum deal and at this point I'm still assuming that this deal is based off of that, even though he accomplished a lot this past season.

His qualifying offer was a 10% raise on his previous contract ($500,000 to $550,000) on a two-way, which is exactly what this contract is.
He probably took it because his side is aware of the Group VI situation (I'd hope they would be) that will allow him to walk if he doesn't play enough games.
This contract just helps him keep a spot on the Sabres easier.


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At first, before the reports about Morrisonn being unhappy and asking to be waived came out, that was the direction I thought it may go - but I couldn't believe that Morrisonn would clear waivers once he was recalled. Other teams may not be as interested now in adding a depth defenseman but once the season is underway and injuries occur, it's not unlikely that another team could claim him just at the time that the Sabres would need him to fill in for an emergency. That's why I think Regier will try hard to unload him for even the smallest of assets (i.e. draft pick) and get something back rather than lose him on waivers. Given how much Regier has emphasized chemistry and locker room presence in the past, I also can't see him risking putting an unhappy or bitter veteran in Rochester where he could be a negative influence on his prospects.
He could get claimed on reentry, I suppose. But only cause he's half price. At this point though you can get nothing for him because of the $2-million contract. Good luck. If you package him, you might. I don't want to give up anything to unload him. It's Pegula's cash. Not mine.
As for him acting like a jerk in Rochester, it's a small world. If this guy wants one more shot in the NHL, he'll keep his mouth shut, keep his nose to the grindstone and wait for his eventual callup -- either to Sabres or someone claiming off waivers.

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He could get claimed on reentry, I suppose. But only cause he's half price. At this point though you can get nothing for him because of the $2-million contract. Good luck. If you package him, you might. I don't want to give up anything to unload him. It's Pegula's cash. Not mine.
As for him acting like a jerk in Rochester, it's a small world. If this guy wants one more shot in the NHL, he'll keep his mouth shut, keep his nose to the grindstone and wait for his eventual callup -- either to Sabres or someone claiming off waivers.
He shouldn't be put on re-entry waivers because if he is claimed, it will result in a bunch of dead cap space that will mess up our cap situation.
If Darcy puts him on re-entry waivers, he should immediately be fired.

Half of his cap hit ($2,075,000) is $1,037,500 or $5,578/day.
We should have $929,643 to $1,454,643 in cap space, or $4,998 to $7,821 extra/day.
If he was claimed on re-entry waivers, we're left with -$580 to $2,243 extra/day because of the dead space created by him being claimed.
If he's not claimed, he costs $11,156/day, which is much more than we can afford and a waste of our banked space as he isn't good enough to justify the cost.

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thanks for the replies guys...here's hopin' we can get him in 58 gp

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Coming back to this again, it wouldn't surprise me if he's tabbed with filling both #7D and #13F duties at the start. If they carry 21, assigning Ellis back down to the farm to start the year, they have $1.4M and change in available cap space. Hording that allows them flexibility in later recalls and in a perfect world, perhaps enough room for a deadline acquisition if needed. It also should put MAG into enough games to avoid the Group VI free agency.

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Coming back to this again, it wouldn't surprise me if he's tabbed with filling both #7D and #13F duties at the start. If they carry 21, assigning Ellis back down to the farm to start the year, they have $1.4M and change in available cap space. Hording that allows them flexibility in later recalls and in a perfect world, perhaps enough room for a deadline acquisition if needed. It also should put MAG into enough games to avoid the Group VI free agency.
I think they'll bring the full complement of 23 players to Europe. They'd be playing with fire to only bring 21 across the pond, especially considering they'll be playing an exhibition game, too. Plus, I think they're going to bring one of the youngsters along for the experience, most likely Luke Adam--he'd only miss one AHL game. Then they can make a paper transaction after the second Europe game and send down somebody like Ellis or Adam. Two season days of those salaries won't have a big effect on the ultimate number.

That said, upon their return to North America, I could see them implementing the strategy you're suggesting, whereby Grags is used as a 7th defenseman/13th forward.

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Coming back to this again, it wouldn't surprise me if he's tabbed with filling both #7D and #13F duties at the start. If they carry 21, assigning Ellis back down to the farm to start the year, they have $1.4M and change in available cap space. Hording that allows them flexibility in later recalls and in a perfect world, perhaps enough room for a deadline acquisition if needed. It also should put MAG into enough games to avoid the Group VI free agency.
I really don't see Adam starting the season in the minors. I say we move someone before the season starts apart from Kotalik to the AHL.

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