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08-21-2011, 07:11 AM
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He's still considered a prospect? Can't we upgrade him to AHL'er yet?
I was poking fun at the poll from last year where their was a big hubbub about whether or not to include Locke as a prospect. I wasn't serious.

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08-21-2011, 10:56 AM
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6 PPG scorers in CHL '10-11.
Not bad if you ask me.

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I love how Jim O'Brien made huge strides last year and went from after-thought to legitimate prospect... yet still had a pretty substantial drop.

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6 PPG scorers in CHL '10-11.
Not bad if you ask me.
Who are the six?
I count: Stone, Puempel, Noesen, Prince and Pageau.

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08-21-2011, 01:37 PM
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Who are the six?
I count: Stone, Puempel, Noesen, Prince and Pageau.
Wacey Hamilton is the 6th.

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08-21-2011, 02:39 PM
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Wow, 2004 and 2006 our prospect pools were absolutely horrendous. Night and day from then until now. I love having a bright looking future, it makes losing so much more bearable.

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08-21-2011, 04:18 PM
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So you're saying our bottom 20 would be among the top 20 in the NHL? I'd strongly disagree with that. Optimism is good and all, but I know that few people around here actually know a lot about our bottom 20 players, which is why it's amusing to hear people proclaim how great it is.
Well, that's not really what I said. I know making judgements without understanding is what most people do but it's not because people jump off the bridge that you have to follow them.

To understand what I said, you have to push the limits of your spirit! Let me try to explain.

Take 10 prospects in the top-20 and 10 more in the top-20, then do it again and you have 2 very decent prospect pools.

Our top-20 is way above the ordinary top-20 while our top-20/40 would be way below. Why not split them equally then? That makes "2 worthy NHL prospect pools", like I said.

You see now? Sorry, didn't think I needed to explain this in detail.

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I don't think smiling is ridiculous when you have basically 2 worthy NHL prospect pools (top-20s). Do you realize this? Our chances to develop gems are twice better than usual

It's refreshing when your prospect pool has been more than ordinary for years (drafting/development = key in today's NHL)

Every Sens fan should be happy and hopeful in this thread. If not, he should ask himself if he's at the right place.
Maybe more, we'll be afforded the time to wait for a guy like Marcus Sorensen until he's 23. Right now, we're cheap with tons of upside, but enough certainty to ensure we're progressing with the rebuild.

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Was Volchenkov pretty much the only Russian we drafted that became something?

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Was Volchenkov pretty much the only Russian we drafted that became something?
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08-22-2011, 01:16 AM
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oh yea, I guess ive tried to forget him.

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After the top 3, who do you think is one of the most important player to the team, that you hope can reach his potential?

I really would like to see Filatov do it, I think he can be a star. If he could become that player he was when he was drafted and bring that to the NHL that would help the team so much.

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08-23-2011, 03:27 PM
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IMO with the exception of Filatov I think everyone of the top 10 guys will be decent pros & a few other guys who are further down the list. Filatov seems to be a boom or bust type player so obviously we hope he does well but I wouldn't bet anything for him or against him. Da Costa is another guy that could be boom or bust, we'll see if he can make the team out of training camp or if he ends up in Bingo how he does in a much rougher league.

I think Zibanejad has the potential to be a very good #2 centre putting up 60 to 70 pt seasons, he has the size & plays a style that will endear him to the NHL game. Noesen & Puempel will also be important as secondary scorers down the road but could impress enough to become 1st liners. Butler is further down the list yet he had a great yr in Bingo & got to play with Spezza last yr. If that continues this yr he could be a sleeper. Lots of potential & hope with our prospects & only time will tell.

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talk about fast change i count 18 new players from last year.

Now i know we didnt have 40 rankings years past... in part part because we didnt have 40+ prospects but no matter how you debate it thats a lot of change for the better in my mind.

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After the top 3, who do you think is one of the most important player to the team, that you hope can reach his potential?

I really would like to see Filatov do it, I think he can be a star. If he could become that player he was when he was drafted and bring that to the NHL that would help the team so much.
IMO, with his shot, two-way play and hands Silfverberg is going to be VERY successful playing beside Jason Spezza.

The most important to me though is Zibanejad. If he pans out as a top 10 2nd centre the Senators will be competing for the Cup in 4-6 years.

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08-26-2011, 12:26 PM
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Optimism is swell but I'd be shocked if a single player on that list ever makes a post season all star team. We've got some nice complimentary players but lack the elite prospects necessary to make me believe we will ever contend for the Stanley Cup.

Mark Stone will never skate well enough to be effective in the NHL. Noesen and Puempel are also considered below average skaters who will likely prove to be unworthy of their first round selections.

I don't mean to be such a bunmmer but I just don't see this team ever truly contending under current management. It's good to see the team finally in re-build mode but they will pay dearly for wating two years too long to get started.

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Optimism is swell but I'd be shocked if a single player on that list ever makes a post season all star team. We've got some nice complimentary players but lack the elite prospects necessary to make me believe we will ever contend for the Stanley Cup.

Mark Stone will never skate well enough to be effective in the NHL. Noesen and Puempel are also considered below average skaters who will likely prove to be unworthy of their first round selections.

I don't mean to be such a bunmmer but I just don't see this team ever truly contending under current management. It's good to see the team finally in re-build mode but they will pay dearly for wating two years too long to get started.
This is absolutely true, there are no standouts, Rundblad being the one possible exception, as limited as that might be. What I see is a bunch of prospects that have NHL potential, not like in the past where we had a few with NHL potential, and the others would have trouble in the AHL.

If we are to get an All star calibre addition, he will be in next years draft.

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Adding Player Profiles to the Prospects

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Fantastic thread!!!

Also shows what a good job Murray's done getting prospects

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Optimism is swell but I'd be shocked if a single player on that list ever makes a post season all star team. We've got some nice complimentary players but lack the elite prospects necessary to make me believe we will ever contend for the Stanley Cup.
Elite prospects as in Alexandre Daigle?

Detroit. When was the last time they had an elite prospect? Zetterberg, Datsyuk and Lidstrom were never considered as elite.

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Wait, wasn't Rundblad named prospect of the year?
How is that not elite?

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Optimism is swell but I'd be shocked if a single player on that list ever makes a post season all star team. We've got some nice complimentary players but lack the elite prospects necessary to make me believe we will ever contend for the Stanley Cup.

Mark Stone will never skate well enough to be effective in the NHL. Noesen and Puempel are also considered below average skaters who will likely prove to be unworthy of their first round selections.

I don't mean to be such a bunmmer but I just don't see this team ever truly contending under current management. It's good to see the team finally in re-build mode but they will pay dearly for wating two years too long to get started.
Zibanejad and Filatov at 6th overall is not high enough for you?

haha, I'm saying this because I'm sure you look at where those prospects were drafted as your main argument for determing the potential of a prospect. For you, the only Elite players are the guys drafted top-3 like Toews, Kane, Malkin, Crosby, Ovechkin, Stamkos, Hall and Tavares.

But what about all the other guys? What was the draft position of those guys?

Marty St-Louis
Corey Perry
Ryan Getzlaf
Jarome Iginla
Teemu Selanne
Henrik Zetterberg
Brad Richards
Claude Giroux
Ryan Kesler
Loui Eriksson
Anze Kopitar
Patrick Sharp
Mike Ribeiro
Alex Tanguay
Daniel Briere
Lubomir Visnovsky
Jeff Carter


I could go on, but those are guys from the top-30 in scoring last year. And let's not forget about Daniel Alfredsson

So, you could be right of course, all Sens prospects could end up being disappointments, but what people are optimistic is the bumber of chances to develop gems. Almost never, a prospect drafted outside of the top-3 is considered like a future Elite NHL player. Things don't stay linear with time, the universe moves and things changes. Some hockey players rise, while some others fall.

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Zibanejad and Filatov at 6th overall is not high enough for you?

haha, I'm saying this because I'm sure you look at where those prospects were drafted as your main argument for determing the potential of a prospect. For you, the only Elite players are the guys drafted top-3 like Toews, Kane, Malkin, Crosby, Ovechkin, Stamkos, Hall and Tavares.

But what about all the other guys? What was the draft position of those guys?

Marty St-Louis
Corey Perry
Ryan Getzlaf
Jarome Iginla
Teemu Selanne
Henrik Zetterberg
Brad Richards
Claude Giroux
Ryan Kesler
Loui Eriksson
Anze Kopitar
Patrick Sharp
Mike Ribeiro
Alex Tanguay
Daniel Briere
Lubomir Visnovsky
Jeff Carter


I could go on, but those are guys from the top-30 in scoring last year. And let's not forget about Daniel Alfredsson

So, you could be right of course, all Sens prospects could end up being disappointments, but what people are optimistic is the bumber of chances to develop gems. Almost never, a prospect drafted outside of the top-3 is considered like a future Elite NHL player. Things don't stay linear with time, the universe moves and things changes. Some hockey players rise, while some others fall.
you forgot Datsyuk,Kronwall, and Boyle, Weber and Chara

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Optimism is swell but I'd be shocked if a single player on that list ever makes a post season all star team. We've got some nice complimentary players but lack the elite prospects necessary to make me believe we will ever contend for the Stanley Cup.

Mark Stone will never skate well enough to be effective in the NHL. Noesen and Puempel are also considered below average skaters who will likely prove to be unworthy of their first round selections.

I don't mean to be such a bunmmer but I just don't see this team ever truly contending under current management. It's good to see the team finally in re-build mode but they will pay dearly for wating two years too long to get started.
I'm not sure this is true. He could stand to work on his acceleration but his north-south skating and overall speed is pretty good. It's definitely nothing that will hold him back, especially given the style of game he plays.

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