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08-26-2011, 01:34 PM
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As for Foligno, I just do not see him as a Top 6 guy. 3LW if he could do it is where he needs to be. But it seems the consensus is he should be Top 6. There are better guys coming I think (hope). As an asset I think he brings a good pick/prospect in return or is a solid part of a package. When I say gone, I'm looking at a solid trade (can't refuse type) or at the deadline. He gets his shot with a new coach and system to show his stuff before Murray decides
Unless he breaks out, Foligno won't be a top-6 forward with this team, I would be really surprised if he does. He had his chances but he will now get bumped on the depht chart plural times.

People should see him as a good 3rd liner by now. There's nothing bad with this. Chris Kelly is an excellent 3rd liner and we got a 2nd round pick back for him without taking any salary back. We had the opportunity to draft Shane Prince.

3rd liners do have to contribute to the offense, and the league is going in a "3 scoring lines" trend.

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Foligno isn't going anywhere and as soon as people stop hoping for him to turn into a 50 point player they'll understand how having him on the team is a good thing.
This.

I think we'll trade Milan Michalek before Foligno. If many young Wingers establish themselves (some of Filatov, Butler, Petersson, and then Silfverberg, Noesen, Puempel, Prince, Stone...), Michalek won't be needed anymore and might not fit too in long term plans.

And depending of the progressions of Borowiecki, Gryba, Blood, Claesson... Lee and Wiercioch might not be needed and might have some value

Next summer,

something like Michalek + Wiercioch + Lee

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a solid, young and established scoring Forward (my dream is Loui Eriksson) from a team who needs depht and to fill psome defensive holes nicely

Or one of Da Costa/Regin instead of Lee, who could be a keeper too (Phillips and Gonchar getting older, have to replace them at some point)

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At first, I thought we'd be over paying...

But please, please do it.

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Unless he breaks out, Foligno won't be a top-6 forward with this team, I would be really surprised if he does. He had his chances but he will now get bumped on the depht chart plural times.

People should see him as a good 3rd liner by now. There's nothing bad with this. Chris Kelly is an excellent 3rd liner and we got a 2nd round pick back for him without taking any salary back. We had the opportunity to draft Shane Prince.

3rd liners do have to contribute to the offense, and the league is going in a "3 scoring lines" trend.



This.

I think we'll trade Milan Michalek before Foligno. If many young Wingers establish themselves (some of Filatov, Butler, Petersson, and then Silfverberg, Noesen, Puempel, Prince, Stone...), Michalek won't be needed anymore and might not fit too in long term plans.

And depending of the progressions of Borowiecki, Gryba, Blood, Claesson... Lee and Wiercioch might not be needed and might have some value

Next summer,

something like Michalek + Wiercioch + Lee

For

a solid, young and established scoring Forward (my dream is Loui Eriksson) from a team who needs depht and to fill psome defensive holes nicely

Or one of Da Costa/Regin instead of Lee, who could be a keeper too (Phillips and Gonchar getting older, have to replace them at some point)
I agree, except for the Loui Eriksson part; Eriksson,Goligoski,Benn are the future of that franchise.

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I agree, except for the Loui Eriksson part; Eriksson,Goligoski,Benn are the future of that franchise.
I realize that Eriksson might be "untouchable" for the Stars, that's why it is my dream. However, if we are able to build trade value for Michalek, Wiercioch and Lee this season, we could have a nice package on our hands to acquire a good scoring forward (whoever is available)

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I realize that Eriksson might be "untouchable" for the Stars, that's why it is my dream. However, if we are able to build trade value for Michalek, Wiercioch and Lee this season, we could have a nice package on our hands to acquire a good scoring forward (whoever is available)
Well.....it might be tough trying to find a trading partner if were dealing MM9, his cap hit negates his value, and imo, Lee will solidify himself as a top 4 d-man this year. I'm not sure who will go next year to make room for Silvesurfer and our hopefully high pick this year.


....I just can't wait for the season to start this year!

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People should see him as a good 3rd liner by now. There's nothing bad with this. Chris Kelly is an excellent 3rd liner and we got a 2nd round pick back for him without taking any salary back. We had the opportunity to draft Shane Prince.
I agree with this 100%... doesn't matter how we got him, he's a really good 3rd liner... don't need to trade him... in fact, he's one of the few proven 3rds we have

Once again, draft position means nothing once you're in the league.

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Well.....it might be tough trying to find a trading partner if were dealing MM9, his cap hit negates his value, and imo, Lee will solidify himself as a top 4 d-man this year. I'm not sure who will go next year to make room for Silvesurfer and our hopefully high pick this year.


....I just can't wait for the season to start this year!
Not necessarily...

2006-07 San Jose Sharks NHL 78 26 40 66 +17
2007-08 San Jose Sharks NHL 79 24 31 55 +19
2008-09 San Jose Sharks NHL 77 23 34 57 5 +11

Not with that kind of production. 66 pts is like 30th in NHL SCORING in today's game.

Michalek was a young rising star in San Jose, and one of the league's fastest skaters. I know that he is seen as crap now, but it's probably more Ottawa's fault that anything else. Injuries didn't help but being played out of position certainly didn't help as well.

In his 1st season here, he scored 22 goals in 66 games (decent pace and better than his usual goal scoring) but his assists total dropped a lot. IMO, he has been misused all the way and asked to play a role and a position where he isn't at his best.

A Michalek puting 25 goals, 60 points with a strong defensive game is worth a lot. That's what we have to do with him.

Wiercioch, if he becomes physically stronger and takes advantage of his PP opportunity in Bingo could rise his value a lot. You saw in his short stint in Ottawa what kind of potential he has. NHL scouts should notice

Lee, if he is played with Phillips and form our defensive specialist line, could really establish him as a solid NHL player this season. As he is young and will be relatively cheap for a while, he brings some value too

Michalek + Wiercioch + Lee could be a very decent package in not too long

All those guys could be useful for the Sens but we might not need them with all the prospects coming up. One of Borowiecki, Blood or Gryba should easily replace Lee. Rundblad and Karlsson make Wiercioch a bit expendable but it depends on how other D-men in the organization develop. As for Michalek, it depends on Puempel, Petersson, Butler, Noesen, Silfverberg...

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08-29-2011, 11:20 AM
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I would subtract foligno and the 2nd, maybe a 3rd and we give them a 5th. Little isn't that great though so no dice.

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Michalek + Wiercioch + Lee could be a very decent package in not too long

All those guys could be useful for the Sens but we might not need them with all the prospects coming up. One of Borowiecki, Blood or Gryba should easily replace Lee. Rundblad and Karlsson make Wiercioch a bit expendable but it depends on how other D-men in the organization develop. As for Michalek, it depends on Puempel, Petersson, Butler, Noesen, Silfverberg...
Spot on. Elsewhere there was a roster of prospects presented, with a second full compliment as an addition (Prospects Thread). The depth is phenomenal and these are the guys we need to develop and see where they fit. Michalek does not even play his normal position and it looks like (based on the presumed depth chart) he will be off-wing again this year. Trade him and get a 1st at the deadline if not before. He will return that and use the 1st to gain another top prospect next draft - or to add it with our own 1st to move into the top of the draft and get the player we covet. By example, drafting Forsberg to give us a Forsberg - Zibanejad - Silfverberg 2nd line. Now that solves a lot of issues right there

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IMO I think that the Sens or Murray are intent on trading the guys that are in their contract yrs that can be replaced in the system for draft picks. That seems to have worked fairly well for the organization to this point & I don't see why it wouldn't continue to work.

For example; this yr Kuba, Winchester, Auld, Konopka & Carkner are all in their last yr of their contracts so I assume that most of these guys could get traded at the deadline if another team is interested in them. Auld will be replaced by Lehner & Kuba & Carkner can be replaced by Rundblad & Cowen. Winchester & Knopka can also be replaced by any number of forwards that are NHL ready in the system. The toughness can be replaced as a group as guys like Cowen, Gryba, Greening, Z. Smith & Hamilton begin to mature & get bigger & tougher.

There could be the odd young RFA guy who could get traded like Lee, Foligno, Regin or Filatov, if they do not work out or continue to regress but for the most part I think it will be the aging veterans that teams may want for their playoff push at the deadline until this team is in a postion once again to make a cup run of their own. Next yr Alfredson, Gonchar & Neil will be in their last yr of their contract & will be in a position to be traded at the deadline. Gonchar especially should be on his way out & could get us a decent draft pick, if his skills haven't totally disappered. Neil too could get us a decent return while I doubt Alfredson is traded unless he asks for it but if he does he too would get us a decent return. IMO it all bodes well for the future of this franchise each yr trading aging veterans for picks & making space for our young prospects to fight over.

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