A little later than I planned, but we're back for another year of prospect polls to see what the board consensus is for the order of the SJ prospect pool. In 09 we went the full 20 spots, and then last year we made it to about 13 of a planned 15 before voting petered out and people who did vote started admitting that they were more or less picking based on the name they recognized or randomness. So it remains to be seen how far we will take this year's rankings. The initial plan is to evaluate voting after 10 spots and see if we can go another 5, then do the same thing at #15.
14 players have been named to the initial group for the poll, plus an "other" option to encompass anyone who is listed on the pending poll options (you'll see it below)
Note that the rules for the polls remain pretty much the same as in previous years (I increased the GP threshold slightly)
Poll rules: Eligibility: Prospects are eligible for the polls if they are 25 years of age or younger, have played less than 30 NHL games in their careers to this point, and are not expected to be regular parts of the NHL roster this year. Yes, this means that Thomas Greiss is back on the list after being off last year when he was projected as the backup goaltender prior to the Niemi signing.
1) each poll will have 14 player options, plus an "other" vote. If you vote for "other" you must indicate in a post who you are intending to put forth as your selection for it (and it must be a player found on the future poll eligibility list below).
2) When you vote, you must also post and indicate who you wish to have added to the next poll. The player with the most nominations will be added to the next ranking spot's poll options.
3) Polls will be open for 48 hours. (I've found that during the summer, voting tends to peter out after a couple days, and 90% of the time the voters who miss out in two-day windows aren't usually enough to impact the result)
4) If after 30 votes have been cast, any prospect holds a 20 vote or greater lead on the next closest competitor, the poll will be closed early and the current front-runner will be declared the winner.
5) In the event a poll closes with a tie, a 24 hour tiebreak poll will be opened with only the tied players available as an option.
Eligible for addition to future polls and/or the "other" vote option (regardless of how you vote in the poll, pick one to add to the next poll)
Konrad Abeltshauser
Sena Acolatse
Colin Blackwell
Mike Connolly
Chris Crane
Drew Daniels
Justin Daniels
Dylan DeMelo
Cody Ferriero
Max Gaede
Curt Gogol
Thomas Heemskerk
Matt Irwin
Sean Kuraly
James Livingston
Tony Lucia
Cam MacIntyre
Isaac MacLeod
James Marcou
Brandon Mashinter
Lee Moffie
Matt Pelech (he should've been here from the start, but I doubt there would've been much call to get him on the poll right away. He's here now though)
Brodie Reid
Justin Sefton
Tyson Sexsmith
Daniil Sobchenko
Note the following removals from the prospect pool between last year and this year:
Not signed/retained (incl. trades) Dominik Bielke
Charlie Coyle
Patrick Davis
Kevin Henderson
Carter Hutton
Joe Loprieno
Nick Schaus
Michael Swift
Phil Varone
Patrick White
Passed GP/Age threshold
Benn Ferriero
John McCarthy
Jamie McGinn
Frazer McLaren
James Sheppard
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I'm curious what you mean by top prospect. Like Braun will probably make an impact the soonest, but I voted Doherty because he's gonna be a ****ing beast.
I'm curious what you mean by top prospect. Like Braun will probably make an impact the soonest, but I voted Doherty because he's gonna be a ****ing beast.
this is funny because Kitten Mittons asked this same question last year.
vote for who you think is the best prospect (or who you think will be the best player) regardless of their time of arrival in the NHL.
I'm curious what you mean by top prospect. Like Braun will probably make an impact the soonest, but I voted Doherty because he's gonna be a ****ing beast.
Top Prospect is largely based on a combo of ultimate pro potential ceiling balanced against likelihood of making it to that ceiling/having an impact in the NHL. Obviously there's always a tipping point in the rankings where longshot skill pros are outranked by near-guaranteed grinders, but that's about it. Time frame isn't really relevant at all.
Top Prospect is largely based on a combo of ultimate pro potential ceiling balanced against likelihood of making it to that ceiling/having an impact in the NHL. Obviously there's always a tipping point in the rankings where longshot skill pros are outranked by near-guaranteed grinders, but that's about it. Time frame isn't really relevant at all.
Essentially the HF number/letter thing. Number for skill, letter for chance of demonstrating it in the show. The following are the descriptions behind the numbers and letters.
Going over the letters:
A - will assuredly achieve potential (eg Crosby=10A)
F - almost no chance of achieving potential (F is almost never given with D being the lowest)
Numbers:
10 - Generational talent (eg Crosby)
9 - Perpetual All-Star (eg JT)
8 - Sometimes All-Star (eg Marleau)
7 - Tweener (4/5 dman, sometimes top 6 forward, definitely top 9)
6 - Grinder (6/7 dman, 4th liner/reserve forward)
I had a problem figuring who should top out. I had about 5 guys at 7D in my rankings, the rest lower.
Essentially the HF number/letter thing. Number for skill, letter for chance of demonstrating it in the show. The following are the descriptions behind the numbers and letters.
Going over the letters:
A - will assuredly achieve potential (eg Crosby=10A)
F - almost no chance of achieving potential (F is almost never given with D being the lowest)
Numbers:
10 - Generational talent (eg Crosby)
9 - Perpetual -aAll Star (eg JT)
8 - Sometimes All-Star (eg Marleau) 7 - Tweener (4/5 dman, sometimes top 6 forward, definitely top 9)
6 - Grinder (6/7 dman, 4th liner/reserve forward)
I had a problem figuring who should top out. I had about 5 guys at 7D in my rankings, the rest lower.
in HF a 7 is not a tweener -- it is a "Second line forward / No. 3-4 defenseman / journeyman No. 1 goaltender"
in HF 6 is " - Third line forward / No. 5-6 defenseman / Backup Goaltender
in HF 5 is " Fourth line forward / No. 7 defenseman / depth goaltender"
I dont understand why we do this now. Every year at training camp someone comes out of nowhere to boost their ranking and someone disappoints. We should do this after camp is over.
This one statement shows why polls like this are silly.
Someone has written off a 20 year old second round draft choice with exactly three pro games under his belt....and voted for him anyway.
When did I write him off? I said he's unlikely to make the NHL but has a high ceiling, don't put words in my mouth.
He's a boom or bust prospect.
He's having problems defensively, but if he puts it all together, uses his size well and holds onto his offensive game he could possibly be a first pairing defeceman. But on the other hand as of right now he's very far from NHL ready.
When did I write him off? I said he's unlkiely to make the NHL but has a high ceiling, don't put words in my mouth.
He's having problems defensively, but if he puts it all together, uses his size well and holds onto his offensive game he could possibly be a first pairing defeceman. But on the other hand as of right now he's very far from NHL ready.
"Unlikely to make the NHL" is writing someone off.
And how exactly can a player be "unlikely to make the NHL" but still have "a high ceiling"?
