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08-30-2011, 12:58 PM
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Hopefully Holmgren will actually honor a contract now.

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I can't decide what I make of the contract. Glad to have JVR in the fold though!

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08-30-2011, 01:01 PM
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It's 6 years, 22.5 Million.

The cap hit will be $3.75 Million per year.
I called months ago that he would get a Giroux-esque contract.

If he gets a Giroux price for 6 years instead of 3, I'm thrilled.

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Maybe the whole contract could work in our favor in the fact that he could turn out better than the contract price? Great job anyways Homer.

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It's 6 years, 22.5 Million.

The cap hit will be $3.75 Million per year.
That is all sorts of awesome if true.

Edit: I see we upped the figure slightly. Still a nice enough contract (hopefully, knock on wood and all of that stuff).

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Everything I'm seeing is 6 years at 4.25 per.

Makes him a bit overpaid in the short term, as we're paying for potential; but you've got to pay to buy out UFA years.

Still, can't decide my exact feelings on the contract.

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I don't understand this. Why rush? In November he was benched, he had one great game in the playoffs and he gets 6 more years? At least he learned his lesson and didn't take a friendly cap hit.

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Everything I'm seeing is 6 years at 4.25 per.

Makes him a bit overpaid in the short term, as we're paying for potential; but you've got to pay to buy out UFA years.

Still, can't decide my exact feelings on the contract.
It's too much, too soon, for a promising player that has yet to outscore Scott Hartnell's worst season as a Flyer.

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He only had one great game in the play-offs? news to me.

JVR clearly showed the potential to break out. This will be his third year in the league. The year in which most players do infact breakout. Scott Hartnell also was 25 years old.........

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Everything I'm seeing is 6 years at 4.25 per.

Makes him a bit overpaid in the short term, as we're paying for potential; but you've got to pay to buy out UFA years.

Still, can't decide my exact feelings on the contract.
He still has a cap hit of 1.6M for this season though. If he has a break out season getting 60-70 points (as it seems most of us expects) this extension seems pretty decent. Especially if the cap continues to climb over these six years.

Edit: And as you noted, we're paying for UFA years as well. Two extra years, is that correct?

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He still has a cap hit of 1.6M for this season though. If he has a break out season getting 60-70 points (as it seems most of us expects) this extension seems pretty decent. Especially if the cap continues to climb over these six years.
Sure, if. In short: he hasn't earned it yet. He's making more than Giroux in the final 2 years of Giroux's extension, which is silly.

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08-30-2011, 01:10 PM
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Sure, if. In short: he hasn't earned it yet. He's making more than Giroux in the final 2 years of Giroux's extension, which is silly.
Giroux's contract was signed before the cap jumped 4 million in a season.

Correct me if i'm wrong. But have the details been released actually been confirmed yet?

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Homer clearly assumes that JVR will be worth more than 4.25 in a few years, and I guess JVR's agent was good at pushing that point. He was given that amount based on what he might one day do, and not what he's already accomplished. Let's hope he breaks out soon.

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For $4.25 million we better see 'beast mode engaged' by JVR a little more.

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I think JVR will earn his keep better than Hartnell thus far. It's a decent calculated risk even if it seems a bit too soon. I can live with it.

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Giroux's contract was signed before the cap jumped 4 million in a season.

Correct me if i'm wrong. But have the details been released actually been confirmed yet?
JVR would be an apex moron if he signed for 6 years at a low cap hit. Expect it to be at or above Giroux's cap hit, and that's a bit ridiculous given that JVR has yet to show any consistency as an 82 game player. Hell, he scored a hat trick last year and Timonen called him out for inconsistent effort after the game.

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4.25 is a bit much for a 6 year deal. might as well tack on the full NTC as well, not like Holmgren gives those away like candy.
I like JVR, I have stuck by this kid when people were down on him at UNH and in his rookie year. I just think its too much money right now. Yeah he may blow up and it could turn out to be a steal. Its still a gamble for a team with cap issues this year and going forward IMO

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Sure, if. In short: he hasn't earned it yet. He's making more than Giroux in the final 2 years of Giroux's extension, which is silly.
Did Jeff Carter earn $5m a year with 29 goals?

Its paying now for performance later at a price that you think is better than what you'll be able to get the player for once he plays at the level you expect him to.

I would have expected a 3 year deal in the $3.5 range, and then a bump up from there. I guess they think his skill set is worth more, and more of a sure thing.

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JVR would be an apex moron if he signed for 6 years at a low cap hit. Expect it to be at or above Giroux's cap hit, and that's a bit ridiculous given that JVR has yet to show any consistency as an 82 game player. Hell, he scored a hat trick last year and Timonen called him out for inconsistent effort after the game.
There's very little risk that JVR wont become a 4.25m player in the near future, and a case can be made that he's there already.

For 6 years, I'll take it.

The options were probably this or a short term deal in the 3.5 range. I'd rather take the 6 year deal that has the potential to be a massive steal, would you not?

In fact, I'd imagine they gave JVR and Giroux the same choice. 6yrs/4.25m or 3yrs/3.75m. They probably just picked different ones. Wouldnt shock me.

It's a little high now, but I think you'd be crazy to argue that this was a bad decision on Holmgren's part

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i like that we locked him up, but he better play like he's making that much money.

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It's too much, too soon, for a promising player that has yet to outscore Scott Hartnell's worst season as a Flyer.
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Did Jeff Carter earn $5m a year with 29 goals?

Its paying now for performance later at a price that you think is better than what you'll be able to get the player for once he plays at the level you expect him to.

I would have expected a 3 year deal in the $3.5 range, and then a bump up from there. I guess they think his skill set is worth more, and more of a sure thing.
29 goals, a CENTER, and had improved immensely that year defensively.

Carter was also signed in the summer with the actual leverage of an offer sheet sitting there -- by his agents' account, they had one in front of them. Leverage JVR had none of right now.

JVR has yet to average 15 minutes a game in the NHL. Lets not compare him to Jeff Carter as a player when he signed his deal, he'd proven a LOT more than JVR has.

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Might have been worth waiting until midseason to see if he can keep up the success he showed in the playoffs. It's a little much for the player he is right now, but he's got a lot of talent and showed he's gaining confidence. My gut is that he'll earn this without a doubt, just odd timing.

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There's very little risk that JVR wont become a 4.25m player in the near future, and a case can be made that he's there already.

For 6 years, I'll take it.

The options were probably this or a short term deal in the 3.5 range. I'd rather take the 6 year deal that has the potential to be a massive steal, would you not?

In fact, I'd imagine they gave JVR and Giroux the same choice. 6yrs/4.25m or 3yrs/3.75m. They probably just picked different ones. Wouldnt shock me.

It's a little high now, but I think you'd be crazy to argue that this was a bad decision on Holmgren's part
Yes. Flexibility has advantages in team construction. This is less of an issue than the absolutely moronic Bryz contract. Also, as much as I think highly of JVR, let him actually go out and earn the money before you give it to him. More than a few players have been ruined by guaranteed money too early in every sport you can watch.

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Might have been worth waiting until midseason to see if he can keep up the success he showed in the playoffs. It's a little much for the player he is right now, but he's got a lot of talent and showed he's gaining confidence. My gut is that he'll earn this without a doubt, just odd timing.
If he keeps up his play into mid-season then he's looking at a heck of a lot more than 4.25 a year.

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