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09-01-2011, 12:49 AM
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Have you ever been depressed? I was fortunate to meet wade and its just another assumption and when it comes to a persons mortality we dont have the right unless your affected by the situation to comment on it. Whats your hockey memories of belak focus on that
Credible news sources are reporting it as such. I think you're missing the mark a bit: people with depression issues don't always display them outwardly all the time, some rarely do at all. No one was making negative judgments about the guy, just acknowledging how complex the condition can be.

Beyond that though, this is a very sad stretch. I'd like for someone to write it up, a nice full story on the man's life, because he seemed to be a unique man. I hope his family the best, and that he's well remembered.

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Loved the Wade a Minute segments. Seemed like a really funny dude. Wish his family nothing but the best.

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I'm beginning to think conspiracy. This is too weird.

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Maybe not bigger, but as big of a problem as the league doing nothing about it, is that the players don't really do anything about it either.

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Whatever the reason(s), the NHL and the NHLPA need to mutually address any issues that could be a cause. It shouldn't be singularly left to one body (the NHL, for example).

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http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Bill-...-More/45/37848


This blog says that Belak reportedly hung himself. Crazy.

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09-01-2011, 11:33 AM
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I wonder if he was influenced by the other deaths this offseason. People who are very depressed can sometimes see other people commit suicide, and it can plant the seed in their mind to attempt that as a solution. The fact that the other player who died had a common link might have strengthened that influence, perhaps.

As an example, a few months ago there was a vehicle accident on the Bay Bridge that sent a pedestrian into the water. While the police were investigating, a car passing in the opposite direction suddenly stopped, the driver got out, and just hopped off the bridge. While the police were trying to fish him out and figure out what was happening, yet another motorist stopped his car and did the same thing. All of this happened within an hour and a half time span.

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Thats even more shocking than him never playing for the flyers, he was definitely a homer type guy.

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Another article confirming suicide.

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So it begins the people are using a tragic death to get their rating...


http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Richa...-Mad/131/37861
I absolutely hate it when people manipulate situations to further their own agendas. Only a few minutes ago, I was driving home from hospital, and was listening to Oilers Now! Today's first guests? Former NHL Enforcers Georges Laraque and Brantt Myhers. The discussion? The need to do something about fighting in hockey because of the psychological and mental toll it takes on the players. Of course, the interview started with a commentary indicating there is some sort of correlation between the death of Belak and the experiences of today's guests. What a load of bollocks.

This is going to be blowin into a big thing over the next few months..

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So it begins the people are using a tragic death to get their rating...


http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Richa...-Mad/131/37861
I absolutely hate it when people manipulate situations to further their own agendas. Only a few minutes ago, I was driving home from hospital, and was listening to Oilers Now! Today's first guests? Former NHL Enforcers Georges Laraque and Brantt Myhers. The discussion? The need to do something about fighting in hockey because of the psychological and mental toll it takes on the players. Of course, the interview started with a commentary indicating there is some sort of correlation between the death of Belak and the experiences of today's guests. What a load of bollocks.

This is going to be blowin into a big thing over the next few months..
Hey, Oiler fan here, was checking out your thread on this to see if anyone mentioned the article released earlier yesterday about Todd Fedoruk (from the same small AB town). I also listened to the interview Stauffer had with Laraque and Myhers, and did not get the sense they were going after ratings. If he argues that, than Cloutier is going after ratings himself with his article. People want to know what the hell is going on with these fighters this offseason no? Laraque and Myhers provided a unique insight into that. Myhers especially was very candid regarding his substance abuse to deal with the anxiety and fear, I recommend listening to the interview on 630 ched's website http://www.630ched.com/Podcasts/Episodes.aspx?PID=2254 They made the point to say that each death was different, but the common theme is clear, they were all fighters. They were very respectful and it was refreshing to hear the truth about what some of these guys go through.

Cloutier says that Myhers is using this as an oppurtunity to forward his agenda in getting fighting out of the game, that is total BS if you listen to the actual interview.

Cloutier goes on to say that the fighting link takes away from the problem of mental health and suicide, that the solution is we need to "talk" and "encourage them to seek help" about it. Well, Rypien spoke up and sought help, repeatedly, and it was not enough. Cloutier thinks we just have to sit in a circle and hold hands and talk everything through, well that's bollocks.

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I wonder if he was influenced by the other deaths this offseason. People who are very depressed can sometimes see other people commit suicide, and it can plant the seed in their mind to attempt that as a solution. The fact that the other player who died had a common link might have strengthened that influence, perhaps.

As an example, a few months ago there was a vehicle accident on the Bay Bridge that sent a pedestrian into the water. While the police were investigating, a car passing in the opposite direction suddenly stopped, the driver got out, and just hopped off the bridge. While the police were trying to fish him out and figure out what was happening, yet another motorist stopped his car and did the same thing. All of this happened within an hour and a half time span.
When I heard he hung himself I wondered as well since Rypien did too. This situation with Belak is really troubling because he seemed happy, he was starting to train for Battle of the Blades and doing some work with the Preds. Joey Vendetta who is filling in on The Fan 590 this week knows him and ran into him the night before he died and said everything seemed normal.

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09-01-2011, 08:11 PM
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When I heard he hung himself I wondered as well since Rypien did too. This situation with Belak is really troubling because he seemed happy, he was starting to train for Battle of the Blades and doing some work with the Preds. Joey Vendetta who is filling in on The Fan 590 this week knows him and ran into him the night before he died and said everything seemed normal.
A lot of people battling with depression are very capable of hiding it from others. I've known a couple people like that..they seem perfectly ok right until they aren't. It's always pretty disconcerting.

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The thing most disturbing about this is that it takes quite a bit of time and thought to hang yourself, and yet he still did it instead of thinking about getting help for the sake of his wife and kids.

So either he only cared about himself (which doesn't seem to be the case), depression that he was suppressing attacked him full force and basically took over his mind, or he did it by accident (David Carradine).

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When I heard he hung himself I wondered as well since Rypien did too. This situation with Belak is really troubling because he seemed happy, he was starting to train for Battle of the Blades and doing some work with the Preds. Joey Vendetta who is filling in on The Fan 590 this week knows him and ran into him the night before he died and said everything seemed normal.
Sounds awfully similar to what I said about him in my post about his twitter.

But hey, twitter is just words, right?

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It appears the NHL officials are going to be aggressive in finding out a way to stop this from happening. Unfortunate it took 3 deaths for it to happen though...

Hopefully they follow though.

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After this I am going to go out on a limb and say we can kiss fighting goodbye for the 2012-2013 season.

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I doubt it. There's no connection between fighting and suicide, otherwise MMA fighters and boxers would be dropping dead left and right.

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Sounds awfully similar to what I said about him in my post about his twitter.

But hey, twitter is just words, right?
Words on twitter to the general population are quite different compared to a face to face meeting with a personal friend.

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I doubt it. There's no connection between fighting and suicide, otherwise MMA fighters and boxers would be dropping dead left and right.
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I doubt it. There's no connection between fighting and suicide, otherwise MMA fighters and boxers would be dropping dead left and right.
I think the focus will land more on the use of painkillers and such, in order to get back in game shape as quickly as possible. I don't know much about boxing or mma, but I think that they have quite longer time between their fights compared to the enforcers in the NHL and therefor might not use quite as much of these.

Maybe there will be some sort of rule instigated that if you are involved in a fight you are automatically side lined for a week or something like that.

I know that there was a bit of debate here in Sweden in the late 90's, early 00's about how there were stricter rules in (amateur, that is Olympic) boxing regarding concussions than there were in hockey. In hockey you could simply just continue playing, in boxing you were forced to wait for a stipulated time before the next fight (can't remember the exact length).

I hope they don't go overboard with some knee jerk reaction to fighting, but at the same time I really could do without the staged fighting that is part of todays NHL.

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I think the focus will land more on the use of painkillers and such, in order to get back in game shape as quickly as possible. I don't know much about boxing or mma, but I think that they have quite longer time between their fights compared to the enforcers in the NHL and therefor might not use quite as much of these.

Maybe there will be some sort of rule instigated that if you are involved in a fight you are automatically side lined for a week or something like that.

I know that there was a bit of debate here in Sweden in the late 90's, early 00's about how there were stricter rules in (amateur, that is Olympic) boxing regarding concussions than there were in hockey. In hockey you could simply just continue playing, in boxing you were forced to wait for a stipulated time before the next fight (can't remember the exact length).

I hope they don't go overboard with some knee jerk reaction to fighting, but at the same time I really could do without the staged fighting that is part of todays NHL.
Boxers and MMA guys are taking a lot more punches to the head because they spar a lot. There's padding involved and it's not as intense, but it's still a bunch of blows to the head...it's not like the aren't fighting at all between matches.

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Boxers and MMA guys are taking a lot more punches to the head because they spar a lot. There's padding involved and it's not as intense, but it's still a bunch of blows to the head...it's not like the aren't fighting at all between matches.
That is true, and that is also one other reason to look at other aspects than fighting in itself for the recent deaths.

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That is true, and that is also one other reason to look at other aspects than fighting in itself for the recent deaths.
Yeah, my concern isn't with fighting. It's with teaching these guys how to deal with the sudden and drastic change in lifestyle they'll experience when they stop being NHL players.

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Besides the use of pain pills, I'm not so sure the physical effects of fighting have anything to do with the recent deaths. I'm leaning more towards the mental side, even going back as far as their junior/college days, when most of these guys were skill players, and had to adjust to a new job just to stay in the NHL.

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