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08-30-2011, 04:27 AM
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I don't think Slats are in a hurry to make a pin-down-the-roster type of move.

You often hear comments on this board that Slats would have bought out Wolski if they did not believe in him, or that Christensen might be dumped or something like that.

Facts are that, playing the way we do, we overall as a team will be injury prone. Marian Gaborik is individually very injury prone. Ryan Callahan will always miss games from time to time. Brad Richards? Recently missed alot of time.

I mean, draw up four lines for this team and then speculate on how many games that unit will miss this season -- and its not farfetched to take into the account that if on the roster, its certainly not impossible that Christen could center the first line for us for 15 games, or that Zucc or someone like that could be our 1st line RW for 35 games, or that we at one give time miss 4-5 guys.

We have a log-jam as it is, but that log-jam is not necessary season long and it certainly does not hurt us to have that log-jam going into camp. It wouldn't be the first time Gabby miss the 1st skate of the season for example. Last year Prospal did not make it out of camp and than shortly after we lost Frolov for the year.

My point is just, nothing needs to be pinned down now. There is nothing/very little to win if you pin down the roster today. Keep guys like Christensen around. Like even if Torts -- just for example -- really lost faith in someone like MZA/WW last season, before you know it you loose three guys before october is over and you end up with them still being by far the best alternative.

If Slats can get a deal for Christensen right now that makes alot of sense, gives you good value, sure do it. Its not the end of the world, if you get a 3rd and end up needing something come mid october you can just swing the 3rd for that something. But I don't see a pressing need to dump someone for the sake of dumping someone.

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08-30-2011, 06:32 AM
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Daymond Langkow? Maloney should still swing a trade for Christensen. Phoenix is a budget team being run by the NHL. Maloney took on $2.2M in salary with the Langkow trade. Langkow and the Flames thought his career was over at various times last season. This a move the Rangers or Leafs would make. Take a risk on a player coming off a serious injury when there are not many better alternatives. The Rangers did it with Pat LaFontaine and Eric Lindros. If doesn't work out for a big market team,no big deal. The Leafs took the Lombardi contract off of Nashville to acquire Franson. The Leafs will carry the salary and put it on LTIR if they are at or near the upper limit if Lombardi can't play. A team like Phoenix can't do that. I read the Calgarypuck board and apparently Langkow was showing signs of slippage before his serious injury. Not only did his numbers drop but his overall play dropped.

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08-30-2011, 06:56 AM
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Daymond Langkow? Maloney should still swing a trade for Christensen. Phoenix is a budget team being run by the NHL. Maloney took on $2.2M in salary with the Langkow trade. Langkow and the Flames thought his career was over at various times last season. This a move the Rangers or Leafs would make. Take a risk on a player coming off a serious injury when there are not many better alternatives. The Rangers did it with Pat LaFontaine and Eric Lindros. If doesn't work out for a big market team,no big deal. The Leafs took the Lombardi contract off of Nashville to acquire Franson. The Leafs will carry the salary and put it on LTIR if they are at or near the upper limit if Lombardi can't play. A team like Phoenix can't do that. I read the Calgarypuck board and apparently Langkow was showing signs of slippage before his serious injury. Not only did his numbers drop but his overall play dropped.
Yeah, but at the same time, Lang was a very valuble piece for them due to factors like him being a experienced top 2 line player in the NHL which brings comfort to the room and takes pressure of kids etc.

Like any team not being a steady contender will face destructive periods during a season. Like MDZ in NY is a great example of that really, our PP did not work, for periods we all knew it was not going to work, if you put a MDZ on the ice during those times -- you just know its going to hurt his development and confidence since he is expected to carry and save something that he isn't able to do. But if you put a Brian McCabe on the ice, it won't hurt him one bit no matter how much it struggle. Or it won't hurt you one bit if he struggles, because you don't really care about him. There is no better word than cannon fodder for it.

I think PHX needed to replace Robert Lang. If they do not replace him, its not only a matter of replacing his 0.5 PPG, you also end up in a situation while you risk hurting the development of a Kyle Turris seriously. Really. See MDZ. See Erik Karlsson in Ottawa. They brought in a Sergei Gonchar who on the ice already basically is replaced and they now sit there with a horrible contract -- but, if Erik Karlsson is forced to carry the PP from D1 last season, you take a big risk if he is not ready. So there was a premium to that contract still, even if you still in hindsight wonder if there wasn't better options available.

So PHX needed to replace Lang, and in that perspective there was maybe not all that many options available. You are looking at guys like Arnott, Langkow and co., not someone who might flee the field (but who natrually could be cheaper and have more potential) like Zherdev or Huselius or someone like that.

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08-30-2011, 09:29 AM
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Part of the reason Langkow is here is because he is Doan's best friend and they had three very productive years playing together. He is a gamble but Phoenix also got rid of the only (sort of) bad contract they had. The Coyotes will either contend for a playoff spot this year or have a fire sale for the ages in March.

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I am all for moving EC but realistically when I think of a spare I want someone with some experience , under a million bucks. He does fit the bill and he should'nt complain cause he was on waivers a few yrs ago so he is lucky to have a job

He is a UFA next yr anyways so if he sticks as a spare all yr and comes in when someone goes down then fine whatever. If he is part of a package or gets waived in the year sure whatever.

no pt. to waste time talking about EC cause we don't hae to worry about him being on a top line as long as everyone is healthy and in the lineup

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Part of the reason Langkow is here is because he is Doan's best friend and they had three very productive years playing together. He is a gamble but Phoenix also got rid of the only (sort of) bad contract they had. The Coyotes will either contend for a playoff spot this year or have a fire sale for the ages in March.
not sure how Stempniak is a bad contract at under 2 million. He scored 38 pts which is very respectable. maybe other aspects of his game are not the greatest but from a Calgary stand pt they save a ton on the cap and get the healther player.

don't blame the Yotes for trying this given Langkows history with the team and the fact they have tons of cap space. What is Langkows actual dollars? less than the cap hit I assume

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i dont see the problem with keeping EC as a spare part. He's versatile, and he's not a gaping black hole when he plays. He's also got shootout ability, and has some good chemistry with Gabby if we ever need to change things up.

keep him.

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Found this today. Its from last week. Hockey break guy. This site blocks the links.

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The Coyotes are working on a trade for a C right now. The Coyotes and Rangers have been in talks regarding Erik Christensen as one option.
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The asking price for New York Rangers forward Erik Christensen would likely be a mid round draft pick.
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The Coyotes had been in talks with other teams looking to trade for a C including the NYR, and the Stars. Langkow trade came from no where.
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Pyatt for Christensen please Slats.

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09-02-2011, 08:15 PM
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We already have Kyle Chipchura, and Marc Pouliot in the AHL as vet centers. Not to mention Patrick O'Sullivan as another vet forward for the AHL. Bolduc, too. We have no need for Christensen. Besides, isn't he on a one way contract? Why would we want to stick a one way contract in the AHL? The Rangers are the rich team, you guy bury your own players, you aren't pawning him off on us.

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i dont see the problem with keeping EC as a spare part. He's versatile, and he's not a gaping black hole when he plays. He's also got shootout ability, and has some good chemistry with Gabby if we ever need to change things up.

keep him.
He won't play....

Richards
Anisimov
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Daymond Langkow? Maloney should still swing a trade for Christensen. Phoenix is a budget team being run by the NHL. Maloney took on $2.2M in salary with the Langkow trade. Langkow and the Flames thought his career was over at various times last season. This a move the Rangers or Leafs would make. Take a risk on a player coming off a serious injury when there are not many better alternatives. The Rangers did it with Pat LaFontaine and Eric Lindros. If doesn't work out for a big market team,no big deal. The Leafs took the Lombardi contract off of Nashville to acquire Franson. The Leafs will carry the salary and put it on LTIR if they are at or near the upper limit if Lombardi can't play. A team like Phoenix can't do that. I read the Calgarypuck board and apparently Langkow was showing signs of slippage before his serious injury. Not only did his numbers drop but his overall play dropped.
the other thing that works out for the Yotes is if Langkow is unfit to play (although the deal does hinge on a physical) insurance will pay his salary. It's too bad Drury would probably not have accepted a trade to Phoenix expressly for this reason.

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He won't play....

Richards
Anisimov
Stepan
Boyle
If any of them get injured he will play.

I wouldn't mind dealing him, but it makes sense to keep him for insurance.

We do not currently have anyone in Connecticut that can fill in a #1 or #2 and possibly even a #3 role if one of Richards, Stepan, or Anisimov miss any time.

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If any of them get injured he will play.

I wouldn't mind dealing him, but it makes sense to keep him for insurance.

We do not currently have anyone in Connecticut that can fill in a #1 or #2 and possibly even a #3 role if one of Richards, Stepan, or Anisimov miss any time.
But again, the problem with keeping him is cap space. It isn't just keeping him to be the spare forward -- in almost every hypothetical lineup, he ends up the second spare forward. When you're talking about being a few hundred thousand dollars under the cap, getting rid of Christensen means the ability to absorb ~$3m in additional salary at the trade deadline, for a guy who simply won't be playing many games. That's a big chunk of change.

Unless Zuccarello fails to make the team out of camp (in which case Christensen would be the 13th forward), I just don't see how the luxury of a second spare forward in Christensen is anywhere near the potential cap space saved.

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We already have Kyle Chipchura, and Marc Pouliot in the AHL as vet centers. Not to mention Patrick O'Sullivan as another vet forward for the AHL. Bolduc, too. We have no need for Christensen. Besides, isn't he on a one way contract? Why would we want to stick a one way contract in the AHL? The Rangers are the rich team, you guy bury your own players, you aren't pawning him off on us.
We'll do whatever we want because we're rich as ****!

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If any of them get injured he will play.

I wouldn't mind dealing him, but it makes sense to keep him for insurance.
What is the likelihood that they make him a healthy scratch for every single game of the season that those other 4 Centers are healthy? I'd say it's not likely at all.... I don't think the organization would do that to him... They'd deal him first or attempt to send him to the AHL and let some team claim him....

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We already have Kyle Chipchura, and Marc Pouliot in the AHL as vet centers. Not to mention Patrick O'Sullivan as another vet forward for the AHL. Bolduc, too. We have no need for Christensen. Besides, isn't he on a one way contract? Why would we want to stick a one way contract in the AHL? The Rangers are the rich team, you guy bury your own players, you aren't pawning him off on us.
I remember when all 3 of those guys were considered great prospects on this board.

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I remember when all 3 of those guys were considered great prospects on this board.
Exactly. Just like Christensen. Phoenix has enough of these former NHL prospects turned career minor leaguers. Christensen is on the fast track down the same path and we don't need to be the team to get him there.

This speculation dint even make any sense before we acquired Langkow. Post trade, its completely pointless.

Yeah, Maloney likes to pick up his old Rangers. Christensen doesn't qualify. Why should Maloney know him from Adam?

This is like me insisting that Sather is hot after Nick Ross. Why? Pointless.

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Is this dead now that Phoenix got Langkow?

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the other thing that works out for the Yotes is if Langkow is unfit to play (although the deal does hinge on a physical) insurance will pay his salary. It's too bad Drury would probably not have accepted a trade to Phoenix expressly for this reason.
Phoenix would still be responsible for some of the $4.5M salary if Langkow suffered a long term injury. They would be responsible for the first 30 games and insurance picks up the remaining games. Is Langkow's contract insured? Not every NHL contract is insured. Teams usually insure the big contracts.

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