Not much to say on this deal since everyone knows my opinion, but if you're new, I hate Tyutin.
I appreciate and applaud your restraint.
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Remember when we were told this GM was a "capologist"?
Whatever. I guess this means some stability/continuity with Tyutin, Methot and Wiz on the backend for the forseeable future. The key is going to be who rounds out that trio going forward as Martinek is a stopgap and Russell isn't likely to be here past this contract barring significant improvement.
Remember when we were told this GM was a "capologist"?
Whatever. I guess this means some stability/continuity with Tyutin, Methot and Wiz on the backend for the forseeable future. The key is going to be who rounds out that trio going forward as Martinek is a stopgap and Russell isn't likely to be here past this contract barring significant improvement.
Remember when we were told this GM was a "capologist"?
Whatever. I guess this means some stability/continuity with Tyutin, Methot and Wiz on the backend for the forseeable future. The key is going to be who rounds out that trio going forward as Martinek is a stopgap and Russell isn't likely to be here past this contract barring significant improvement.
I would think he is hoping that Savard, Goloubef, Moore, Weber, and Clitsome would round out the defense within the next couple years. In other words cheap young guys on ELCs.
My only problem is that we are handing out long term deals to a team that may never win a SC.
It's not a bad deal it's just...I am not sure Tyutin is worth us being tied to him for 6 years.
I have a bad feeling we are going to be stuck in mediocre for a while. JMHO. I would hand out these contracts if this team was showing it on the ice, that they could one day be a SC Champion.
My only problem is that we are handing out long term deals to a team that may never win a SC.
It's not a bad deal it's just...I am not sure Tyutin is worth us being tied to him for 6 years.
I have a bad feeling we are going to be stuck in mediocre for a while. JMHO. I would hand out these contracts if this team was showing it on the ice, that they could one day be a SC Champion.
Teams that win championships need guys like Tyutin, that reliable top 4 d-man who people always view as overpaid but are instrumental in long playoff runs.
No reason to believe that because they signed Tyutin to a 6 year deal they won't be contenders over the course of that contract at all.
Teams that win championships need guys like Tyutin, that reliable top 4 d-man who people always view as overpaid but are instrumental in long playoff runs.
No reason to believe that because they signed Tyutin to a 6 year deal they won't be contenders over the course of that contract at all.
It depends. If this is still a budget team, Tyutin's money is money that can't be spent on a true #1 d-man if one becomes available.
Listen, I like the Wiz acquisition, but I'd like to see some money there if Savard, Moore, etc. don't become the well-rounded d-man that Wiz isn't.
I really thought that with Tyutin coming off the books next summer, this was going to be Howson's opportunity to solidify the top pairing D with a a true #1 or something close to that. With this contract, it appears we are going forward with Tyutin-Wiz. I don't see another high dollar defenseman with the three defensemen that are under contract now. This wouldn't have been my plan going forward.
The one benefit I see going forward is that, although there MAY be no #1 defensemen among the prospects, 2-4 isn't out of the question for a few of them. So we could see a group of 7 d-men with strong depth in the near future. While Tyutin's contract may hamper any attempt to bring in another high dollar defenseman (without having to destruct some of the gains made at the forward position) we could have certainly done worse. And if the salary cap keeps heading north, the dollar amount may not end up as bad as it initially looks. In summary, I'm not completely comfortable with this plan, but I'm not dooming it from the start either.
Lidstrom, Nicklas
Souray, Sheldon
Rozsival, Michal
Liles, John-Michael
Wideman, Dennis
Kubina, Pavel
Spacek, Jaroslav
Beauchemin, Francois
Stuart, Brad
Kuba, Filip
Jackman, Barret
Sarich, Cory
Oduya, Johnny
Mitchell, Willie
Finger, Jeff
Suter, Ryan
Carle, Matt
Coburn, Braydon
Kronwall, Niklas
White, Colin
Salvador, Bryce
Allen, Bryan
Gleason, Tim
Eaton, Mark
Gorges, Josh
Corvo, Joe
Gill, Hal
Martinek, Radek
Sutton, Andy
Colaiacovo, Carlo
Morrisonn, Shaone
Aucoin, Adrian
Salo, Sami
Zanon, Greg
Boychuk, Johnny
That is a list of upcoming free agents for 2012, and there are not many guys on that list I would rather see getting Tyutin's money. Suter, Mitchell, Stuart, Boychuk, and Sarich stand out as guys I would like, but other than Suter they aren't really number one guys. How realistic is it that Suter reaches free agency? How much of a chance would we have at getting him on the open market? With Tyutin we know what we have, he's consistent and has been healthy.
I very wonder what Howson did if his achievments will go down Fjodor is a good d-man but his amplitude his achievments is not always extra. Btw I am his fan.
That is a list of upcoming free agents for 2012, and there are not many guys on that list I would rather see getting Tyutin's money. Suter, Mitchell, Stuart, Boychuk, and Sarich stand out as guys I would like, but other than Suter they aren't really number one guys. How realistic is it that Suter reaches free agency? How much of a chance would we have at getting him on the open market? With Tyutin we know what we have, he's consistent and has been healthy.
as a Ranger fan watching him in his first years in the NHL, I agree he is a solid d-man.. but to be making more $$ than Marc Staal? I don't think he's THAT good. Anyways looking forward to see what Tyuts can do.. Glad he's in a place where he will most likely spend his career.
as a Ranger fan watching him in his first years in the NHL, I agree he is a solid d-man.. but to be making more $$ than Marc Staal? I don't think he's THAT good. Anyways looking forward to see what Tyuts can do.. Glad he's in a place where he will most likely spend his career.
Little different situation. Staal has a very nice contract for NY. Correct me if I'm wrong (because I'm too lazy to look it up lol) Staal was a RFA as Tyutin will be an UFA. Also Staal's contract ends around his peak time while Tyutin will be hitting his peak somewhere in the near future. And I believe Staal's contract spikes at the end, while Tyutin's trails off. Tyutin's contract certainly seems more like a free market contract than it does a hometown discount, but its not really fair to compare it to Staal's.
The list is appreciated, but I'm not sure its worth commenting on until we get a better idea of who is available closer to the end of the season. Have a gut feeling the list will look much worse than even now.
My hope is Howson catches lightning in a bottle and finds a disgruntled talented d-man via trade.
So much can happen between now and next summer, what with trades, team salaries, etc. But Howson has decided with these 3 big contracts that these are the defensemen he has chosen to go forward with. The question becomes, are these defensemen the ones that can carry this team forward or should there have been left room for a different defenseman to come in? Regardless of the risk, if Tyutin, Wiz, and Methot are not those players, at least one shouldn't have been retained, at least not at their contracts. If you need a car to drive you across the country, but it may be difficult to find, you don't go with a car that will only get you to Utah instead. I'm not saying these 3 can not do it, but I think this shows where Howson is at. We do have some promising prospects, although there may not be any that will develop into a #1. Hopefully Howson is right.
Dislike. This team's D has been an ongoing weakness and not up to par with the better teams, and so we tie up cap space for 6-7 years with an average d-man who doesn't belong in a top pairing. It's moves like this that make me fear that the CBJ will continue as one of the worst franchises in the NHL. Hope I'm wrong.
Dislike. This team's D has been an ongoing weakness and not up to par with the better teams, and so we tie up cap space for 6-7 years with an average d-man who doesn't belong in a top pairing. It's moves like this that make me fear that the CBJ will continue as one of the worst franchises in the NHL. Hope I'm wrong.
Exactly, you could've spent another 1 to 1.5 million and gotten a defenseman who's actually good.
