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09-04-2011, 03:23 PM
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Having good prospects =/= success in the future

This is kind of inspired by the ridiculous 'Predict the NHL standings in 5 years thread'

HF Organizational Rankings 2006:

1) Ducks (#6/#4)
2) Wild (#11/#12)
3) Pens (#15/#4)
4) Hawks (#14/#8)
5) Canadiens (#7/#6)
6) Rangers (#6/#8)
7) Caps (#14/#1)
8) CBJ (#13/#13)
9) Thrashers (#10/#12)
10) Canes (#2/#9)
11) Preds (#4/#5)
12) NYI (#12/#14)
13) Oilers (#8/#15)
14) DRW (#1/#3)
15) Senators (#1/#13)

(Regular season finishes in 05/06 & 10/11)

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3 of the top 4 teams won cups in the following 4 years.

Argument invalid

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All I see is that Minny still sucks. But hey, it's just an anomaly. "Exception that proves the rule".

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having bad prospects =/= success in the future

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Of course having good prospects doesn't guarantee future success but it does greatly increase the odds.

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Having good prospects > Cups

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This is kind of inspired by the ridiculous 'Predict the NHL standings in 5 years thread'

HF Organizational Rankings 2006:

1) Ducks (#6/#4)
2) Wild (#11/#12)
3) Pens (#15/#4)
4) Hawks (#14/#8)
5) Canadiens (#7/#6)
6) Rangers (#6/#8)
7) Caps (#14/#1)
8) CBJ (#13/#13)
9) Thrashers (#10/#12)
10) Canes (#2/#9)
11) Preds (#4/#5)
12) NYI (#12/#14)
13) Oilers (#8/#15)
14) DRW (#1/#3)
15) Senators (#1/#13)

(Regular season finishes in 05/06 & 10/11)
So you're saying that teams with good GM's that draft well do well, whereas those with bad GM's that had a few lucky drafts don't?

Duh?

Before any Rangers/Canadiens fans get annoyed, Gomez alone removes both management teams from consideration for the good management award


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Having good prospects = more likely success in the future.

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Having good prospects = more likely success in the future.
Bingo.

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3 of the top 4 teams won cups in the following 4 years.

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having bad prospects =/= success in the future
Came to post this.

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Prospects don't always pan out.

One of the more notable examples is the Chicago Blackhawks. I remember when names like Mark Bell, Tyler Arnason, Kyle Calder, Tuomo Ruutu, Anton Babchuck, and Cam Barker were being thrown around at various stages in the 2000s as key pieces for the future of the rebuilding Blackhawks.

The Blue Jackets are another notable team. Outside of a guy named Rick Nash, they haven't really gotten a ton of mileage from top prospects. Klesla, Voracek and Brassard stick out as guys who gave good service, but there are so many other names (Zherdev, Picard, Brule, Filatov, Leclaire) that didn't live up to expectations.

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Originally Posted by unknown33 View Post
This is kind of inspired by the ridiculous 'Predict the NHL standings in 5 years thread'

HF Organizational Rankings 2006:

1) Ducks (#6/#4)
2) Wild (#11/#12)
3) Pens (#15/#4)
4) Hawks (#14/#8)
5) Canadiens (#7/#6)
6) Rangers (#6/#8)
7) Caps (#14/#1)
8) CBJ (#13/#13)
9) Thrashers (#10/#12)
10) Canes (#2/#9)
11) Preds (#4/#5)
12) NYI (#12/#14)
13) Oilers (#8/#15)
14) DRW (#1/#3)
15) Senators (#1/#13)

(Regular season finishes in 05/06 & 10/11)
Both the Hawks and the Pens had a 'prospect' (Toews and Malkin) win the Conn Smythe

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09-04-2011, 07:37 PM
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Prospects don't always pan out.

One of the more notable examples is the Chicago Blackhawks. I remember when names like Mark Bell, Tyler Arnason, Kyle Calder, Tuomo Ruutu, Anton Babchuck, and Cam Barker were being thrown around at various stages in the 2000s as key pieces for the future of the rebuilding Blackhawks.
I think more then having a bunch of promising prospects it more important to have that 1 or 2 guys that are star potential players. In the case of Chicago there team was made by drafting Kane and Toews first and third while complimenting the team with some other good picks(Keith is one that stands out) throughout the years, plus a couple trades and UFAs

I am not sure how highly the Black Hawks were rated before the 2007 season in terms of prospect list but Toews and Kane by themself should have had them rated highly

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09-04-2011, 11:17 PM
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Boston also isn't being mentioned but they have done okay, Lucic, Krejci, Bregeron, Marchand all played big roles.

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