This "bust" conversation will happen with Klefbom in a couple years. Plante has more tools and size than Klefbom, yet Plante is rated lower by most here.
Have you seen Plante play in the AHL? Dude, he's just a meh AHL-er. The game is too fast for him in that league for him to dominate.
Hate to say it, but he's only a minor upgrade over Bryan Young. I hope it's all because the injuries, etc. that have slowed his development and he'll break out this season.
Have you seen Plante play in the AHL? Dude, he's just a meh AHL-er. The game is too fast for him in that league for him to dominate.
Hate to say it, but he's only a minor upgrade over Bryan Young. I hope it's all because the injuries, etc. that have slowed his development and he'll break out this season.
Well Bryan Young was barely good enough for the ECHL and I'm pretty sure he's out of hockey right now so that sounds like a gross exaggeration. Plante is a solid prospect and he still has top 4 upside. People need to stop talking about him as an enforcer. With all his concussion problems his career will be over in a few years if you want him playing that role. The guy needs to continue to improve his skating. He's a bigger powerful defenseman with an above average offensive skillset. Think Souray.
Well Bryan Young was barely good enough for the ECHL and I'm pretty sure he's out of hockey right now so that sounds like a gross exaggeration. Plante is a solid prospect and he still has top 4 upside. People need to stop talking about him as an enforcer. With all his concussion problems his career will be over in a few years if you want him playing that role. The guy needs to continue to improve his skating. He's a bigger powerful defenseman with an above average offensive skillset. Think Souray.
Interestingly enough, Young was actually playing in the Asia League last year.
Plante was projected to be a Souray-esque player, but his development hasn't gone as expected. Outside his big shot, his offensive hasn't translated and after his struggles with his back, his mobility has regressed.
Right now, he's a big physical guy with questionable hockey sense and mobility. He might have Top4 upside with plenty of solid development, but realistically, he's still a long shot to be a #6/7 defenseman.
Have you seen Plante play in the AHL? Dude, he's just a meh AHL-er. The game is too fast for him in that league for him to dominate.
Hate to say it, but he's only a minor upgrade over Bryan Young. I hope it's all because the injuries, etc. that have slowed his development and he'll break out this season.
I sort of agree with you about Plante but I think he's a bit more than a minor upgrade over Bryan Young.
I really hope people won't get overly excited over Klefbom. This year's draft class is garbage compared to the year Plante was drafted in. Everyone knew this year's draft was weak. The strange thing is that many post here as if Klefbom is a sure-fire NHLer. He may never get a sniff in the NHL.
I sort of agree with you about Plante but I think he's a bit more than a minor upgrade over Bryan Young.
I really hope people won't get overly excited over Klefbom. This year's draft class is garbage compared to the year Plante was drafted in. Everyone knew this year's draft was weak. The strange thing is that many post here as if Klefbom is a sure-fire NHLer. He may never get a sniff in the NHL.
I don't think too many people on this board think Klefbom is a sure-fire NHLer. He is what he is, a high upside, high risk prospect who has elite measurables, and whether he becomes a top pairing defender, a bottom pairing guy or a washout who never leaves the SEL will depend on how much he wants it, how much he can grasp the mental side of the game and how well the Oilers' organization develops him.
Plante's draft class was considered to be garbage as well. Aside from Kane, most of that draft class has failed to impress.
And how much have you seen Plante play?
Klefbom has shown nothing so far aside from leeching off a great defensive group on team sweden.
A lot more than you have seen Klefbom play, unless you are from Sweden I suppose, but that is doubtful.
Im going to take a wild guess and say you havent seen Klefbom play more than two games. Probably even less than that.
What is your basis for saying he will be a bust? What is it about his game you dont like? As far as Plante goes, I have nothing against the guy, he is just not a good enough skater to play regularly in the nhl.
Nah, the buck stops with the guy in charge. On draft day, that person is the head scout.
I read an article quite a few years back about Kent Nilsson in which he said that the Alexei Mikhnov pick really bothered him because he was the only scout on the Oilers who had seen him play.
Two things struck me about that comment. Number one, the GM really puts a lot of faith in his scouts if he lets them 'talk' him into a pick without seeing that kid play. Number two, Nilsson would have watched Mikhnov several times, and if he was high on the kid to the point where he would stick his neck on the line, why wouldn't another scout or someone in management make a trip to see the kid play a few games to verify the talent?
i think we kinda got lucky with eberle to be honest, as i don't think anybody expected him to become the player he already is... let alone the player he will likely become in a couple years
I don't know. The Oilers were really, really high on him. That's why he "went where expected" as others have said - because everybody expected the Oilers to take him if he was available. Wasn't it Stu's dad who was an ultra-Eberle fan? Anyway, I think you can firmly place the Eberle selection in the "Oilers did good" category, it was far from a no-brainer (and even if it was, it's easy to screw up the no-brainers, huh? See Parise, Zach).
I read an article quite a few years back about Kent Nilsson in which he said that the Alexei Mikhnov pick really bothered him because he was the only scout on the Oilers who had seen him play.
Two things struck me about that comment. Number one, the GM really puts a lot of faith in his scouts if he lets them 'talk' him into a pick without seeing that kid play. Number two, Nilsson would have watched Mikhnov several times, and if he was high on the kid to the point where he would stick his neck on the line, why wouldn't another scout or someone in management make a trip to see the kid play a few games to verify the talent?
This is where I don't understand the dynamics of drafting because I think you take anyone in the first round ALL scouts should see that player. This isn't a 4th - 5th rounder that you take a gamble with.
This is where I don't understand the dynamics of drafting because I think you take anyone in the first round ALL scouts should see that player. This isn't a 4th - 5th rounder that you take a gamble with.
In general, all scouts and management will see a guy play several times, whether live or on video, for the higher round (1-3) picks.
The chain of command is usually area scout, head scout, GM, iirc.
Plante seems like a better pick than Cherapanov at this point in time.
That's a bit of an insensitive comment, isn't it? That said...
I think Plante almost has to be considered an '08 draft pick for development purposes because of the rash of injuries (especially the back injury) the season after he was drafted. Personally, I don't see the offensive upside anymore, but I think there's still plenty of defensive upside. As for his skating, ever since his back injury, his posture has changed and makes him look like an awkward skater, but he's still relatively fluid.
Imo, at worst, Plante is still at a "wait and see" development stage.
ISS had him in the conversation with larson and Hamilton as one of the top 3 defence prospects in the drafts (10th overall). When it comes to unknown prospects, I will defer to a service like that.
It doesn't matter if any of us saw him once or twice, these guys are the unbiased professionals and are more likely to predict the future.
If klefbom was so great, he would've been taken ahead of a number of D-men that included Larsson, Siemens, Murphy, Brodin, etc... Seriously, a midget D like Murphy goes before Klefbom. If we drafted Murphy, people will call him the next Niedermeyer or something.
This talk about "isn't all that high on Klefbom" has more to do with reality than being jacked up over a 19th pick. Were you high on Jason Soules a couple decades ago when we picked him 15th overall?
Seriously, Klefbom will be Klefbust soon enough. I can see it coming. Then some posters here might be here to claim and call it first.
I hope he won't be a bust, but the writing is on the wall. What has this kid done before and after the draft? The guy's already got an injury. And what's the excuse there? Unlucky? Well, Plante was injured after the draft too.
I find it sad that people are more jacked about klefbom, and at the same time wanted to dump hemsky for a mid-teens pick. Imagine if we traded hemsky, the boards here would get excited because we have some "hope" from the prospect pool. Letting go a blue chip in exchange for "hope", it might work well with ignorant fans here.
I bet that you haven't seen Klefbom play once and you're just making posts like this to get attention.
Well, let me tell you that people who have seen him play and scout these kids for a living say that we very well might have gotten a steal at 19 with Klefbom.
He's big, physical, can skate well, has a big shot and is a leader. He's raw without a doubt but he has all the skills to be a very good NHL player but like most prospects picked outside of the lottery, we'll just have to wait and see.
Interestingly enough, Young was actually playing in the Asia League last year.
Plante was projected to be a Souray-esque player, but his development hasn't gone as expected. Outside his big shot, his offensive hasn't translated and after his struggles with his back, his mobility has regressed.
Right now, he's a big physical guy with questionable hockey sense and mobility. He might have Top4 upside with plenty of solid development, but realistically, he's still a long shot to be a #6/7 defenseman.
That's the key word in your post. That word can change greatly for better or for worse in a year.
I'll put it to you this way. In the past the guys that were drafted were busts before summer was out. At least now we have guys like Hamilton and Roy getting onto the WJC and have guys like Marincin and Davidson ranked top in their leagues for d-men.
I'll put it to you this way. In the past the guys that were drafted were busts before summer was out. At least now we have guys like Hamilton and Roy getting onto the WJC and have guys like Marincin and Davidson ranked top in their leagues for d-men.
Oh no the prospect pool definitely looks a lot better and as such is ranked as one of the best among many different reporters. However I still agree with the sentiment that until these players actually help this team out of the bottom feeding ranks then its still all for not.
Oh no the prospect pool definitely looks a lot better and as such is ranked as one of the best among many different reporters. However I still agree with the sentiment that until these players actually help this team out of the bottom feeding ranks then its still all for not.
I agree, but it can't just be on the kids. If we don't have anyone step up this year on the backend and goaltending is a problem, then it doesn't really matter how great the kids up front are.
ISS had him in the conversation with larson and Hamilton as one of the top 3 defence prospects in the drafts (10th overall). When it comes to unknown prospects, I will defer to a service like that.
It doesn't matter if any of us saw him once or twice, these guys are the unbiased professionals and are more likely to predict the future.
One of the hockey sites listed a "best pick" for each round of the draft (ie. best bang for your buck). The player they chose for Round 1 was Klefbom. I know it's just one opinion, but still...
