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Flames in the market for a #1 centre UPDATE: It's Lecavalier!

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09-07-2011, 05:27 PM
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I'm a huge junior hockey fan and have watched them all as well. I do think you guys have a good prospect there. But he isn't at the same level as the best prospects in the world. I don't consider Strome, Coutourier, Hamilton, Schiefle or any other picks chosen out of this years top 4 to be blue chips. And as has been mentioned, even the top four could lose their status this year.

As per Schenn/Johansson VS Baertschi, I won't have this argument, he isn't in their league in any way but points. He's not seasoned enough, and isn't the two way player the other guys are. Based purely on offense, none of the three are what I would call blue chip, but Schenn and Johansson look to have the intangible that will make them stars, Baertshci needs another year to show it, if he does actually have it.

And might I add, I really hate spelling his name, lol.
Just the fact that you made those two statements indicates that the first one is a lie. You've clearly never watched them live if you think that Johansson is superior to Baertschi defensively. Physically yes, and Schenn is better defensively. Johansson is very average defensively. Schenn is elite defensively. Baertschi is in the middle.

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09-07-2011, 06:19 PM
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Well then at least explain why.
As a Flames fan, I would say that the thing that stops Bartschi from being blue chip is his size. No matter how good he is at the WHL, if his play doesn't translate due to size he is done.

NN is a much larger player and does not bring up the same question marks.

Don't get me wrong, I think Bartschi was an awesome choice. However, he is high risk high reward due to his size. Nigel Dawes was also able to put up 92 points in the WHL, but similar limitations on size prevented him from making it to the NHL. I see much more offensive flare in Bartschi than Dawes despite similar numbers in the WHL, however.

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09-07-2011, 06:54 PM
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Great, you can read a stat sheet and hand pick stats. Baertschi isn't close to what Johansson or Schenn were in their draft years. To say he is shows your blind, uneducated loyalty. Points are not everything.

You guys finally get a decent prospect and you don't know how to control expectations of him.
Ironic considering you said Backlund isn't anything special since he's never posted a ppg.

Sooooo ironic. I guess this is what Oilers fans do when they have nothing to look forward to all year round.

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I hope and pray that Vinny gets trade to the Flames.
Then these stupid proposal suggesting Vinny to the Habs would stop.
Somebody play take Vinny as we Habs don't want him and that god-awful contract.

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09-07-2011, 07:55 PM
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Ironic considering you said Backlund isn't anything special since he's never posted a ppg.

Sooooo ironic. I guess this is what Oilers fans do when they have nothing to look forward to all year round.
We look forward to the draft.

And you?

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Ironic considering you said Backlund isn't anything special since he's never posted a ppg.

Sooooo ironic. I guess this is what Oilers fans do when they have nothing to look forward to all year round.
He isn't. 2nd line centre at best.

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09-07-2011, 08:53 PM
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We're not sensitive, it's just that you're being ridiculous.

Baertschi had 16 more points that Johansen did on his draft year, in 5 less games played. And a higher .ppg than Brayden Schenn in his draft year. While being a rookie and new to North American hockey.

You're also saying Sean Couturier isn't a blue chip prospect which is also absurd. He's had 96 points in his last two years and is a defensive specialist. He had more points than Johansen in less games played. I'm not sure you even know who the guy is, but you lost all credibility on that statement.
The term "etc" usually covers the usual suspects. Bartschi is not one of them.

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He isn't. 2nd line centre at best.
Yup. The way Flame fans talk about him you'd think he is a #1 center in the making.

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We look forward to the draft.

And you?
Looking forward to our Stanley cup parade

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Looking forward to our Stanley cup parade
based on the Flames current roster and contract situations.....I wouldn't be getting my hopes up

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Ironic considering you said Backlund isn't anything special since he's never posted a ppg.

Sooooo ironic. I guess this is what Oilers fans do when they have nothing to look forward to all year round.
What's ironic about it? You might want to use the word properly if you're going to use it. The way you guys talk about him, you'd think he's Crosby JR. He'll be a good, two way, 50 point second line center. Not an 80 point top liner.

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He isn't. 2nd line centre at best.
Same could be said about Eller.


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What's ironic about it? You might want to use the word properly if you're going to use it. The way you guys talk about him, you'd think he's Crosby JR. He'll be a good, two way, 50 point second line center. Not an 80 point top liner.
Actually thats very ironic, you were *****ing about looking at stats when thats all you did to evaluate backlund, that said I agree, please show me one post where someone said he would be a #1 PPG center. I said he COULD be a a 1b guy, which is 60-70 pt getter, it is unlikey, but he does have the skill. I think he will top out at 55-60 pt guy, who will hit 65-70 in his best year.

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Same could be said about Eller.




Actually thats very ironic, you were *****ing about looking at stats when thats all you did to evaluate backlund, that said I agree, please show me one post where someone said he would be a #1 PPG center. I said he COULD be a a 1b guy, which is 60-70 pt getter, it is unlikey, but he does have the skill. I think he will top out at 55-60 pt guy, who will hit 65-70 in his best year.
Eller was never projected as a #1 center.

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Eller was never projected as a #1 center.
Neither was Backlund, but the way habs fans talk you would think he was Christ on skates. Same way some Flames fans overrate Backlund, my point was, every fanbase does it, looking at your avatar you should know very well.

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Ill throw my two cents on the deal.

Flames trades

Bartschi + 1st round pick

Tampa Trades

Lecavalier

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Looking forward to our Stanley cup parade
Like the one in 2004?

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Same could be said about Eller.
Yeah you can. What's your point?

Love the comment about Habs fans thinking Eller is Christ on skates. We all know that's Price.

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Ill throw my two cents on the deal.

Flames trades

Bartschi + 1st round pick

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Lecavalier

Flame away
No thanks

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Ill throw my two cents on the deal.

Flames trades

Bartschi + 1st round pick

Tampa Trades

Lecavalier

Flame away
Makes no sense that a team that was 1 goal away from the Stanley Cup finals would trade an established player for a first and a prospect, a team that didn't make the playoffs at all.

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Neither was Backlund, but the way habs fans talk you would think he was Christ on skates. Same way some Flames fans overrate Backlund, my point was, every fanbase does it, looking at your avatar you should know very well.
Ya i know ,and we Hab fans all know that Eller is twice the player Backlund is already.... right.


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Same could be said about Eller.




Actually thats very ironic, you were *****ing about looking at stats when thats all you did to evaluate backlund, that said I agree, please show me one post where someone said he would be a #1 PPG center. I said he COULD be a a 1b guy, which is 60-70 pt getter, it is unlikey, but he does have the skill. I think he will top out at 55-60 pt guy, who will hit 65-70 in his best year.
Why do I need to show you any posts? Look in any Flames thread where Backlund is discussed. The valuation that you put on him is that of a future top line player (you as in a fanbase, not you individually).

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lol, Feaster just doesn't know when to give up....Vinny isn't going anywhere any time soon.
Considering Feaster resigned from TB because ownership wanted him to sign Vinny to that ridiculous contract I am pretty sure he never started. This rumour is so dumb it isn't even funny. Feaster wants nothing to do with that contract, I guarantee it. Vinny loves TB and has a NMC. How in the hell does this rumour even still have legs?

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Why do I need to show you any posts? Look in any Flames thread where Backlund is discussed. The valuation that you put on him is that of a future top line player (you as in a fanbase, not you individually).
Not true at all. Most Flames fans see Backlund as a 60 point 2nd line guy who is a two way forward. Nobody thinks he will be a #1 centre.

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I love how "fans" can look at a young player and say for certain what type of number they will put up and what type of numbers they couldnt put up.

Remember Cheechoo? No one would have thought he would score 50 goals. But he did. He sizzled since than to a halt, but still... players out there can AND WILL deceive you and to say a player cant hit 80 but say 70 is possible is being a little bit silly. 10 points can be achieved on any combination of ways. One of his linemates gets hot and scores 10 more goals for the year and you got the assist on it.. Bam, there is your 10 extra points.

Stop acting like everyone knows how a player will pan out. You may want to "guess" what a player can project to be, but you as a fan (no matter how much stat watching you do) can not sit back and argue with certainty on a players future output.

Its a little egocentric to think you know what a player can and cant do in the NHL expecially when that player is a very young player in the AHL or NHL.

I understand arguing prospects and who you think it better and worse, but to sit here and say "I know player X will only get 50-60 points and never hit 70-80 points" is quite silly

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Feaster is a tool. Especially for bashing Tim Erixon not too long ago saying he "wont make the big club and that Tort's and Erixon will have problems together"

He is a fat b@stard who is butt-hurt.

I never liked the guy. Acts like a D@uchebag all the time.

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