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09-14-2011, 05:32 PM
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so then come back in 3 years, but for now MS>>LS
There not much gap between Marc Staal and Luke Schenn than you would think

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There not much gap between Marc Staal and Luke Schenn than you would think
I'd say there is. Especially with potential involved.

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You really missed my point there.

Schenn is also a difference maker every shift. Great play in his own zone, one of the best physical threats along the boards in the league, great break out pass.

He and Staal are very comparable. Split hairs all you want about who is better defensively (I'd say Staal right now), but the difference between them is not much.
Schenn <> Staal

Only in Toronto do people think otherwise.

Here's a stat you've overlooked. PO GP Staal 17, G2, A2, +1, Pts4, Schenn PO GP ZERO. Kind of says a whole lot.

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Schenn <> Staal

Only in Toronto do people think otherwise.

Here's a stat you've overlooked. PO GP Staal 17, G2, A2, +1, Pts4, Schenn PO GP ZERO. Kind of says a whole lot.
it says a whole lot about there teams

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Look I'm a fan of Schenn and respect him but he's not as good as Marc Staal plain and simple.
And at what point did I say he was as good as Staal?

In fact, I went out of my way multiple times to state how Staal is the better player. What I did say is that the two are very comparable.

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Staal is counted on to shutdown players like Ovechkin and Crosby. Schenn isn't.

Frankly, at this point Aulie is better defensively than Schenn, as he is more polished. I don't know what the final product of Schenn will be, but he needs to realize that going for the big hit isn't always a good idea. It's why his giveaway v. takeaway stats are so atrocious.

Edit: Not that Aulie's stats are much better, but he's only had half a season so far. Schenn's had 3.
What are you talking about? Schenn is leagues better than aulie.

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Schenn <> Staal

Only in Toronto do people think otherwise.

Here's a stat you've overlooked. PO GP Staal 17, G2, A2, +1, Pts4, Schenn PO GP ZERO. Kind of says a whole lot.
Yeah, shame on Schenn for not participating in any playoff games, especially when his team has qualified numerous times during his career.

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Schenn <> Staal

Only in Toronto do people think otherwise.

Here's a stat you've overlooked. PO GP Staal 17, G2, A2, +1, Pts4, Schenn PO GP ZERO. Kind of says a whole lot.
I always hate the playoff experience excuse against players b/c essential thats a team downfall not an individual players.

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Don't think you can enter a Luke Schenn discussion without that bruins video being posted. Just saying

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If i had to choose between Schenn and Staal, i'd pick Staal.

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You evaluate defensemen with offensive stats?

Watch a few Rangers games, Staal is a difference maker every shift.
Fan of both teams and watch plenty of games of both teams. I think Schenn is the better defensive player. Better a hitting and blocking shots. Staal better at offense. Both are/will be very good dmen. Neither are elite...salaries should be in the same ballpark.

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Don't think you can enter a Luke Schenn discussion without that bruins video being posted. Just saying
I've really begun to hate that clip. He's done that kind of rush just one time in his career.

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I guess if bogo is worth 2.5 then at least 3.5 for schenn. Much more than I thought he'd sign for at the end if the year.

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Schenn <> Staal

Only in Toronto do people think otherwise.

Here's a stat you've overlooked. PO GP Staal 17, G2, A2, +1, Pts4, Schenn PO GP ZERO. Kind of says a whole lot.
Marc Staal> Enstrom then?

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Look I'm a fan of Schenn and respect him but he's not as good as Marc Staal plain and simple.
Ya he isn't but he is a COMPARABLE. They don't have to be equal for them to be comparable. Just like Tavares contract is comparable to Toews, even though Toews is much better.

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so then come back in 3 years, but for now MS>>LS
fair enough ...

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Here's a stat you've overlooked. PO GP Staal 17, G2, A2, +1, Pts4, Schenn PO GP ZERO. Kind of says a whole lot.
All but one of the stats you listed there are incorrect. Also, let me be the latest in a long line of people to comment on the utter stupidity of that argument.

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Ps, Mike Komisarek has more playoff games under his belt than Marc Staal. Tradesies?


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I'd say around $3.5 would be a good deal. Much more and I'd not like it so much.

Oh, so sorry for interrupting your Staal vs. Schenn debate. Continue on.

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I'd say around $3.5 would be a good deal. Much more and I'd not like it so much.

Oh, so sorry for interrupting your Staal vs. Schenn debate. Continue on.
lol, did Schenn not have a crappy yr 2 yrs back? Staal is more consistent and a top shut down Dman and Al Star

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lol, did Schenn not have a crappy yr 2 yrs back? Staal is more consistent and a top shut down Dman and Al Star
He didn't have a "crappy year". He stumbled a bit in the first half, but picked it up and played very well in the second half. He was also only 20, and had a better season than Staal did at that age.

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I'd say there is. Especially with potential involved.
I agree, Marc Staal has just been getting better and better every year since his rookie season. Schenn isn't on his level yet.

Schenn matches up against 2nd/3rd liners while leading the league in giveaways and not generating enough offense to warrant his protection in the lineup. Phaneuf constantly matches up against other top lines in a shutdown role, if there is a comparable to Staal, Phaneuf would be closer. Marc Staal was the go to guy on a top 5 defensive team, Schenn was the #2 guy at best on a poor defensive club.

All I can say is if Schenn gets anything over 4 mil, Marc Staal is underpaid and on a steal contract.

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Schenn <> Staal

Only in Toronto do people think otherwise.

Here's a stat you've overlooked. PO GP Staal 17, G2, A2, +1, Pts4, Schenn PO GP ZERO. Kind of says a whole lot.
Kinda does say a whole lot. 4 points in 17 games You're right Schenn could never match that. Staal is by far the superior player.

Go troll somewhere else.

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Don't think you can enter a Luke Schenn discussion without that bruins video being posted. Just saying
Its become the video that shows up in each thread to show his offensive potential... "remember that one time he scored a goal?"

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I agree, Marc Staal has just been getting better and better every year since his rookie season. Schenn isn't on his level yet.

Schenn matches up against 2nd/3rd liners while leading the league in giveaways and not generating enough offense to warrant his protection in the lineup. Phaneuf constantly matches up against other top lines in a shutdown role, if there is a comparable to Staal, Phaneuf would be closer. Marc Staal was the go to guy on a top 5 defensive team, Schenn was the #2 guy at best on a poor defensive club.
Yes, Phanuef does match up against the top lines nightly but its not to PROTECT Luke lol. Come on, thats an insane word to use. You protect Marc Andre Bergeron, you don't protect Schenn. Schenn goes up against the top lines nightly as well, on the PK, where he led this team. A guy who leads the team in PK time isn't being protected.

Phanuef is not comparable to Staal at all. Phanuef is an offensive D man and Staal is more of a defensive D man. Just because they both match up against top lines for their respective teams doesn't mean they are comparable. Schenn is a very close comparison to Staal. No, he is not better than Staal but he is comparable.

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I agree, Marc Staal has just been getting better and better every year since his rookie season. Schenn isn't on his level yet.

Schenn matches up against 2nd/3rd liners while leading the league in giveaways and not generating enough offense to warrant his protection in the lineup. Phaneuf constantly matches up against other top lines in a shutdown role, if there is a comparable to Staal, Phaneuf would be closer. Marc Staal was the go to guy on a top 5 defensive team, Schenn was the #2 guy at best on a poor defensive club.

All I can say is if Schenn gets anything over 4 mil, Marc Staal is underpaid and on a steal contract.
Not generating enough offense? Mark Staal had 29 points compared with Schenn's 22. Staal played 25.44 minutes a night with 2:38 on the PP. Schenn played 22:22 a night with only :59 seconds on the PP.

So with that difference in icetime Staal is the better offensive player? Schenn is also almost three full years younger. Staal is 24 -- Schenn 21.

Three years ago Stall was putting up seasons of 10 and 15 points.

Let's also leave out the fact Schenn led ALL defenceman in hits with 251 -- 111 MORE than Staal while being almost 3 years younger. Blocked shots? Schenn -- 168 -- Staal -- 109.

All this playing 3 minutes less a night.

But yes Staal does have 4 points in 17 playoff games. Schenn could never match that.



Thanks -- we'll keep Schenn -- and when he's 24

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