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Could Subban seek a new contract like Myers or Doughty?

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09-15-2011, 10:16 AM
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Could Subban seek a new contract like Myers or Doughty?

Tyler Myers just sign a new 7 years 38.5 millions deal. IF Subban performs the same way he did last year, or somewhere close, will his agent seek a similar contract?

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If Subban has a great season and puts up good numbers like last year, I could definitely see his agent asking the same amount of money.

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09-15-2011, 10:19 AM
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Fans put way too much emphasis on how much other RFAs around the league get.

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If he perfos like he did Dec 31 and forward, consistently, and proves to still a playoff clutch performer... Why not?

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Fans put way too much emphasis on how much other RFAs around the league get.
This.

As a Jets fan, I never thought Bogosian would sign for ~2.5 million/year.

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Hey, Subban for 7 years at $5.5M is fine by me. He was a dynamic and studly #1/2 guy last season already. I'd have no fear whatsoever about paying him that kind of money for the next 7. He'd be a bargain for some goodly stretch of it. And it would just be nice to get him locked up that long.

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He deserves a little less than Myers and a little more than Schenn. Why? Myers has proved more and Schenn is less gifted on offense but is similar to Subban.

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I think PK should be looking for a Letang type contract, 3-4 years at 3.5 to 4M. He then he'll be up for his big contract right at the age 26-27.

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$5.5M for 7 years would be...just perfect

I understand that it's a long contract, I do understand that anything can happen and players can get injuries or whatever...but Subban proved alot last year and the potential he has + his skill set = WINNING

WINNING!!!!

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I was thinking the same thing. Good thread. The only difference is Myers won the Calder, then had a worse season. Subban had a pretty good season, and we'll have to wait for this year. I don't see him having a sophomore slump, as he already has two good playoff runs under his belt, but who knows. He could easily get Myers money, pair that with Price and we could be spending 12M for 2 rfas. I find this new trend of paying RFAS, UFA money a bit disturbing and it really affects the salary cap number crunching. It seems a few years ago rfas would sign reasonable deals (like the Bogosian one). 4M over 2 years or so, and do so without much hassle. Now we see more and more rfas holding out, not signing and waiting for UFA style big paydays. It started with Crosby getting his 8.7M/87M deal a few years ago and has trickled down to any decent rfa.

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4 Million free capspace FTWinning!!!!

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Fans put way too much emphasis on how much other RFAs around the league get.
How else would the market be established? I don't think we're at the point where Wins Above Replacement or any other quantitative system determines salaries, so teams and agents are stuck with comps.

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Habs will probably give him a contract to bring him to UFA then let him go.

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I wouldn't be surprised if he gets something close to that, Subban was very impressive during his 1st complete season and has some great stats in the playoffs, much better then Myers. We'll see I'd like it to be less but if it's around the same and for that many years I think we would be winners

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The organization has shown a hesititancy to go the long-term deal route. What's the longest contract we've signed anyone to, 5 years? Hard to see them giving 7 to Subban but you never know. If Subban has another really good year, I could definitely see Subban and his agent looking for Myers type money. Doesn't mean the Habs will give it to them but hey, that's the agent's job.

RFA contracts are just really hard to predict across the board. Everyone thought Marchand would get a huge deal, and he wound up signing at 2 years for 2.5m per.

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They should make a cap for RFA salary/terms. (Except for the final year imo)

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I believe that Subban will get a contract with the Habs.

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This.

As a Jets fan, I never thought Bogosian would sign for ~2.5 million/year.
I'm still not used to it lol

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7 years @ $5.5m cap hit is pretty good considering it would cover some UFA years. We'll see what the Habs do. They gave Pleks a 6 year contract so I don't see why they wouldn't give PK a 6 or 7 year contract.

It'll all depend how things go this season of course. If he plays like he did in the 2nd half of the season then it's a no brainer. If he struggles a bit then he'll probably get a 2 or 3 year offer.

Price will be the bigger off-season signing since he finishes his 2nd contract summer 2012. He'll only be 25 then, but if has a year like last year then I can easily see a 6 to 10 year contract for him and he'll wind up with the biggest cap hit on the team.

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I really believe that if PK plays a solid year and has no injuries *knocks on wood*

He will be asking for ''Anderson Silva Money'' ...book it!

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The organization has shown a hesititancy to go the long-term deal route. What's the longest contract we've signed anyone to, 5 years? Hard to see them giving 7 to Subban but you never know. If Subban has another really good year, I could definitely see Subban and his agent looking for Myers type money. Doesn't mean the Habs will give it to them but hey, that's the agent's job.

RFA contracts are just really hard to predict across the board. Everyone thought Marchand would get a huge deal, and he wound up signing at 2 years for 2.5m per.
We haven't really had the type of blue-chippers that I would feel comfortable throwing 5+ years at. Subban and Price are those kind of players. I think we'll see long-termers starting next year.

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He will be asking Pre Lockout money.

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I don't get the point of signing players that are 5 years away from their UFA status to such big money. At least, not until they reach arbitration.

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How else would the market be established? I don't think we're at the point where Wins Above Replacement or any other quantitative system determines salaries, so teams and agents are stuck with comps.
The market for RFAs has more to do with internal salaries on the team.

Subban's agent for example would have a very hard time convincing the Habs that he is worth more than Markov for example.

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I don't get the point of signing players that are 5 years away from their UFA status to such big money. At least, not until they reach arbitration.
I don't either. Why not keep the dollar value down with a short contract while he is restricted to your club?


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The market for RFAs has more to do with internal salaries on the team.

Subban's agent for example would have a very hard time convincing the Habs that he is worth more than Markov for example.
Markov was a 32 year old who had played 7 games over the previous season and a half! I don't think his salary could ever seriously brought up in a conversation with Subban's agent. If they decide to work on something long term, Myers will surely be mentioned.

Do you think it's a coincidence that first time RFA's Marchand and Bogosian signed the exact same contract on the same day?

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We haven't really had the type of blue-chippers that I would feel comfortable throwing 5+ years at. Subban and Price are those kind of players. I think we'll see long-termers starting next year.
Agree on that, but the fact that there isn't really a precedent for the Habs makes it hard to predict what we'll do. I don't think it's wrong to say the Habs are usually conservative compared to some of the dollars and terms other teams throw around, so it'll be interesting to see what happens.

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