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09-15-2011, 11:31 AM
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Agreed. You don't develop in Jagr, Malkin or Forsberg; you either are or you're not. It is safe to say that Zibanejad isn't.

ZBad didn't do anything special at the rookie tournament, he just did what was expected of him. All last season, he played against tougher competition than what he faced in the rookie tournament recently.
He's 18, and in the rookie tourney he was playing against guys 2-3 even 4 years older than he is, and he looked dominant most of the time. People tend to forget that. It's not like he was playing in a junior game. He could very well explode offensively this season wherever he ends up playing.

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2 reasons. And they're both stupid ones.

1. Landeskog has COL next to his name while Zibanejad had OTT
2. The people here have seen Zibanejad play in 3 beyond meaningless games.
You're attacking a strawman my friend.

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I'm sure if Landeskog just got done dominating inferior prospects the hype around him would be high too, but he Avs don't do prospect tourneys. He hasn't played a game in months and people have forgotten about him.

As the 6th overall pick, Zbad did what he was supposed to do in that tournament. Good for him.
Like I said, I had zibby before lando before the draft...


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09-15-2011, 11:37 AM
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Scouting reports (McKeens) mention Zibanejad's soft hands and stick handling ability as a strength. This is basically the only concern I had after watching the rookie tournament, that he didn't look like a great puck handler. Was he just going too fast out there? Or am I way off?

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I'm sure if Landeskog just got done dominating inferior prospects the hype around him would be high too, but he Avs don't do prospect tourneys. He hasn't played a game in months and people have forgotten about him.

As the 6th overall pick, Zbad did what he was supposed to do in that tournament. Good for him.
I haven't gotten higher on him because he was better than everyone in this tourney, I'm higher on him because his skill set is clearly beyond what I had expected.

I like landeskog, but ive never seen him play with that level of skill. The compete level is basically the same.

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Scouting reports (McKeens) mention Zibanejad's soft hands and stick handling ability as a strength. This is basically the only concern I had after watching the rookie tournament, that he didn't look like a great puck handler. Was he just going too fast out there? Or am I way off?
I thought his hands looked very good. Putting the puck through his legs at full speed shows me hes got hands.

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I haven't gotten higher on him because he was better than everyone in this tourney, I'm higher on him because his skill set is clearly beyond what I had expected.

I like landeskog, but ive never seen him play with that level of skill. The compete level is basically the same.
Agreed on all counts!

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09-15-2011, 12:23 PM
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He's 18, and in the rookie tourney he was playing against guys 2-3 even 4 years older than he is, and he looked dominant most of the time. People tend to forget that. It's not like he was playing in a junior game. He could very well explode offensively this season wherever he ends up playing.
This is true, but keep in that most of the elite young players in the 21-23 year old range, don't play in rookie tourneys. They are already playing in the NHL and don't have to go. And at the same time, there are still plenty of weaker players in these rookie games. Many of the guys 2-3 years older will never play an NHL game. And there are still lots of 17-19 year olds playing too (and most aren't 1st round picks).

It's good hockey - better than J20 for him back home, and much better than the CHL, so it is great that he stood out and played well. But the last week's play doesn't all of a sudden put his upside in Forsberg, Malkin or Jagr stratosphere. Not by a long shot.

As to the Hossa and Havlat references, those are fair points and the comparisons will be interesting to see. Both of those guys made major impacts during NHL camp and presseason as teenagers (Hossa was a ppg during his 18 year old preseason as I recall, but then struggled in his first NHL games and was sent down to Portlant). ZBad has yet to do that, but I'm certainly hoping he does make an impact and make it a tough decision for the Sens in the next two weeks. But I still see his offensive upside as probably a bit lower than that of Hossa, even though his long-term value to the team could conceivably be higher than Hoss, even if his numbers are that of a good 2nd liner.

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09-15-2011, 12:24 PM
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I thought his hands looked very good. Putting the puck through his legs at full speed shows me hes got hands.
I've seen Foligno do it many times, too. And I never saw Gretzky do it.

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09-15-2011, 12:27 PM
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I've seen Foligno do it many times, too. And I never saw Gretzky do it.
exactly! foligno is still very young and zibanejad has so much potential, they could both end up better than gretzky. agreed 100%

(ps. i know what you're sayin)

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This reminds me of this summer, I was on the 95 from downtown after last call on a saturday, and this drunk guy kept shouting MIKA ZIBANEJAD! and everybody was like wtf is wrong with this guy? and whenever someone ask him about it, he would get angry because nobody knew he was the sens 1st round pick. He said Zibanejad at least 50 time on the ride home.

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09-15-2011, 12:43 PM
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I thought Zibane looked great at times & mediocre at other times just what I expected from an 18 yr old. He was dominate at times & at other times made some rookie mistakes that luckily did not cost the team. I still think he will be sent back to Sweden for a yr after his 9 game stint & could likely be one of the very last cuts at training camp. I think Cowen will be on the team by the trade deadline.

Next season should be just as interesting as this yr with Zibanejad & Silfverberg challenging for a roster spot & a couple of juniors also challenging in Stone, Puemple & Noesen. Not to mention the Bingo guys who could also be NHL ready in Weircioch, Gryba, Boroweicki, Grant, Petersson, O'Brien, Da Costa, Hoffman & DZ.

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I've seen Foligno do it many times, too. And I never saw Gretzky do it.
No, you haven't. "Full speed" was the requisite point.

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Next season should be just as interesting as this yr with Zibanejad & Silfverberg challenging for a roster spot & a couple of juniors also challenging in Stone, Puemple & Noesen. Not to mention the Bingo guys who could also be NHL ready in Weircioch, Gryba, Boroweicki, Grant, Petersson, O'Brien, Da Costa, Hoffman & DZ.
Totally agree. Next season's camp battles should be tremendous and there will be significantly more pressure on the remaining vets than there will be this September.

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Can't we all just agree that MZ played very well at the rookie tournament? Future expectations aside, I'd love for us to have a future HOF in our hands but let's not get ahead of ourselves. We're all getting heated over nothing.

The coaches will make a decision over whether or not Mikachu's development would be enhanced by staying in the NHL or going back and playing in the SEL. I for one would love for him to stay in the NHL and be mentored by Alfie playing on the same line. Some would disagree though with the mentality that he would be babied by the seasoned veteran. I think he could learn alot playing with the man.

Either way, we will find out once training camp starts. I'm definitely very excited.

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09-15-2011, 12:50 PM
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I've seen Foligno do it many times, too. And I never saw Gretzky do it.
You've never seen foligno even come close to attempting that in a game on purpose at full speed. Even in a development camp. Either at zibanejads hands looked quite good to me.

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You've never seen foligno even come close to attempting that in a game on purpose at full speed. Even in a development camp. Either at zibanejads hands looked quite good to me.
The point is there are signature moves certain players practice, that after being perfected, make the particular move and player, look like the guy has all world skills. Foligno specifically, has several of them he uses at high speed. He scored three highlight reel goals last preseason, as you might recall. They make you think the guy should be a 30 goal guy, even though he never will. And btw, Zbad might not be capable of any of those particular moves, but that doesn't really measure his pure skill level. But in the end, I wouldn't say Foligno is really an elite level skill guy.

The main point is that elite offensive skill comes from adapting to the moment, not from a small portfolio of particular moves. Daigle had several 'signature' moves, as did Spezza when he first arrived. But guys like Forsberg, Jagr and Malkin have no real limit to their bag of tricks. They take what the defender gives them, rather than making a particular move hoping the guy bites this particular time.

Hopefully that makes more sense.

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The point is there are signature moves certain players practice, that after being perfected, make the particular move and player, look like the guy has all world skills. Foligno specifically, has several of them he uses at high speed. He scored three highlight reel goals last preseason, as you might recall. They make you think the guy should be a 30 goal guy, even though he never will. And btw, Zbad might not be capable of any of those particular moves, but that doesn't really measure his pure skill level. But in the end, I wouldn't say Foligno is really an elite level skill guy.

The main point is that elite offensive skill comes from adapting to the moment, not from a small portfolio of particular moves. Daigle had several 'signature' moves, as did Spezza when he first arrived. But guys like Forsberg, Jagr and Malkin have no real limit to their bag of tricks. They take what the defender gives them, rather than making a particular move hoping the guy bites this particular time.

Hopefully that makes more sense.
Your argument fails from the moment you put "Foligno" and "high speed". His high speed is MZ crusing...

All kidding aside, I understand your point. We have seen shootout specialists like the kid in Edmonton who struggle to play a well rounded game. I get that. I don't think that is MZ. He has already shown remarkable competency in all facets of the game.

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Your argument fails from the moment you put "Foligno" and "high speed". His high speed is MZ crusing...
Diagle had a couple of gears on Forsberg, but that didn't mean he was better one on one. On the contrary.

Speed of top gear aside, Foligno actually has more moves at his top gear than most other players on the team. It's his ability to make plays when not on the rush, that are his problem. That and the fact he doesn't control how many opportunities he gets on the rush - the other team and his mates dictate this. It's why his value as a top 6 guy is limited.

And let's watch Zbad at full flight against men before we start anointing him better than any of the established scorers on our team.

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The point is there are signature moves certain players practice, that after being perfected, make the particular move and player, look like the guy has all world skills. Foligno specifically, has several of them he uses at high speed. He scored three highlight reel goals last preseason, as you might recall. They make you think the guy should be a 30 goal guy, even though he never will. And btw, Zbad might not be capable of any of those particular moves, but that doesn't really measure his pure skill level. But in the end, I wouldn't say Foligno is really an elite level skill guy.

The main point is that elite offensive skill comes from adapting to the moment, not from a small portfolio of particular moves. Daigle had several 'signature' moves, as did Spezza when he first arrived. But guys like Forsberg, Jagr and Malkin have no real limit to their bag of tricks. They take what the defender gives them, rather than making a particular move hoping the guy bites this particular time.

Hopefully that makes more sense.
It makes sense for sure. But at the end of the day I thought for a guy that could be around 6'2 215-220, as great feet, his hands were a plus.

Scouts look for head, feet, hands, heart....this guy has that package in spades. And to be clear, I'm not the one tossing around hossa, jagr, forsberg comparisons. I do think he could be a #1c eventually, based on my limited viewings, before this, I wasn't so sure at all. Before, I just expected a guy that would play 2nd line center and fill that role adequately on a contender. I think he may be more than that

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Mikachu. I like it.

My son's very much into Pokemon, so Mikachu it is henceforth.

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Landeskog sucks, as does Zibanejad.

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Diagle had a couple of gears on Forsberg, but that didn't mean he was better one on one. On the contrary.

Speed of top gear aside, Foligno actually has more moves at his top gear than most other players on the team. It's his ability to make plays when not on the rush, that are his problem. That and the fact he doesn't control how many opportunities he gets on the rush - the other team and his mates dictate this. It's why his value as a top 6 guy is limited.

And let's watch Zbad at full flight against men before we start anointing him better than any of the established scorers on our team.
I was kidding about Foligno but yes, it should be an exciting pre-season.

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