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09-15-2011, 05:49 PM
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Way to handle hold outs... (Islanders)

What do you think if the Islanders saying if you are not signed by training camp you are out for the season?

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2...entire-season/


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Islanders owner Charles Wang seems like a free and easy going guy, but if you want to play for the Islanders and you’re one of his restricted free agents, you’d better have a contract signed by the time training camp starts or else. As Chris Botta of Islanders Point Blank pointed out back on August 25, Wang’s policy is that if an RFA is unsigned by the start of camp, negotiations are over and done with and the player will sit out the entire season.



Is it smart?
How would you feel if Kings had that with Doughty?

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Is it smart?
How would you feel if Kings had that with Doughty?
I personally view it as petty. If the player makes the team better and is willing to negotiate, you do it.

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I'm fine with the Islanders policy, but it needs to start with the start of ownership. You can't pick and choose and AEG has already allowed players to sign past camp. You don't start the policy with Drew.

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That's funny considering that in the past they acquired two players who held out for more money and signed them to multi-million dollar contracts.

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I don't know. Depends entirely on how the negotiations are going.

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This is tough for me, because I like the stance, but I don't want to see it happen with Doughty.

If there's a hard stance like this, it puts the ball in the team's court. Do you really wanna be the guy who missed a whole year of his career over a contract dispute? How does that affect your value moving forward?

On the flip side, I think we're a legitimate contender with Doughty this year and getting him in under contract cannot be understated.

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It's easier to do when your team is a bottom feeder. If this was 3-4 years ago I would have no problem with it, but now? The Kings need Doughty and if a deal could be done tomorrow or the next day it would be asinine for the Kings to be without his services for the entire year.

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Decent way to handle your lower level RFA's and minor league guys. Terrible Terrible way to handle an impact player.

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Decent way to handle your lower level RFA's and minor league guys. Terrible Terrible way to handle an impact player.
The Islanders are a joke of a franchise, and this just adds to it. Charles Wang is one step above Frank McCourt as far as ownership goes, and that is only because he actually pays his players. McCourt atleast seems like a nice enough guy, Wang is a ruthless person and the last type of guy we should be looking to on how to run a franchise.

Plus he is the first person in history to promote his backup goalie to GM. And his son looks like the kid from Up.

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I like the stance, but you'd really have to set it up early. You can't just apply that stance NOW.

If you were to say "from this point going forward," then yeah, I dig it. You have an absolute deadline to finish negotiations rather than really start them. ****ing Meehan.

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I like the stance, but you'd really have to set it up early. You can't just apply that stance NOW.

If you were to say "from this point going forward," then yeah, I dig it. You have an absolute deadline to finish negotiations rather than really start them. ****ing Meehan.
Its like playing a game of chicken in your car for no reason. Best case scenario you live (like you would have if you didn't play) worst case you die for principle...terrible terrible, their is a reason you don't see this tactic across sports anywhere...

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Wangs reasoning is totally flawed and hypocritical. If he were to apply the same thing to other teams hold outs then maybe he might have a leg to stand on but he doesn't so forget it.

The other thing is that to me unless you are saying to any unsigned player "this is our last and final offer, if you want to remain with the team then sign it, if not then don't" then I don't see any reason to shove such an ultimatum out there.

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i wish all other teams except for the kings do it. It sends a good message to the players, but it hurts the team that does it

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i wouldn't take after a franchise that hands out those contracts.

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Bailey re-signs with NYI. Just over $1 million per for 2 years.

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That's funny considering that in the past they acquired two players who held out for more money and signed them to multi-million dollar contracts.
I guess they learned their lesson then.

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i wish all other teams except for the kings do it. It sends a good message to the players, but it hurts the team that does it
Disagree.

Just say there were a deadline for Dumb D-head to sign by the end of last night or he's done for the season.

The situation is over.

The players nor the fans have to wonder if he's coming back for the year or not. He's not, and you move on.

"Oh, but it's Drew Doughty. You can't replace a Drew Doughty!"
Sick of the hype surrounding this guy.
There are several dmen the Kings have that are deserving of a spot while S-for-brains cools his heels in Toronto for a season.

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Disagree.

Just say there were a deadline for Dumb D-head to sign by the end of last night or he's done for the season.

The situation is over.

The players nor the fans have to wonder if he's coming back for the year or not. He's not, and you move on.

"Oh, but it's Drew Doughty. You can't replace a Drew Doughty!"
Sick of the hype surrounding this guy.
There are several dmen the Kings have that are deserving of a spot while S-for-brains cools his heels in Toronto for a season.
the problem is that the moment a player such as Drew comes back into your team, your team immediately becomes better. So its better to have half a season of Drew than 0

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personally i've always been a fan of teams/GMs that do this. it sets a precedent that this is a team run organization. the financials/contracts/numbers have a place and a time for discussion. outside of that timeframe the focus is on one thing only.....WINNING and TEAMWORK.

players and agents that drag this crap out become public enemy and in time will be shown the door. Blake is a classic example of this for LA. his image and standing in Kings history will forever be tarnished because he wanted to play the $$/contract game with management.

not all teams that follow this principle are bad as some alledge. the NE Chowds and B Belichick don't put up with long contract holdouts or agents holding the team/fans captive. NE moves on and trades away the rights of that player and usually in the long run come out ahead in the deal. it's one way that the Chowds have been able to re-stock themselves with alot of new players for years now.

as someone pointed out. 'it is about the numbers drew'. it is completely about the numbers or he would be at TSC for his physical today. to me it sounds as though he is listening and letting Meehan run this to the point Drew has lost his grasp on the situation. what happened to the kid that 'grew up a Kings fan and just wants to play hockey'?

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Couldn't the player sign an offer sheet at that point? Then Wang would either have to sign them or let them go.

Wang's position might work with the bottom feeders, but he wouldn't try to pull that crap with someone like Tavares (were he unsigned).

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This is from the same guy that handed out the contract to DiPietro and is on record as saying a sumo wrestler would be a good goalie in the NHL... Nothing to see here, move along please.

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Stupid way to handle an elite (or even a potentially elite) player.

Sorry, but not all players are created equal.

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This is from the same guy that handed out the contract to DiPietro and is on record as saying a sumo wrestler would be a good goalie in the NHL... Nothing to see here, move along please.
So...would DiPietro need to tack on an extra 5 pounds or so to qualify for sumo status???

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Coming in peace. If the Islanders are doing it, you probably want your franchise to do the opposite.

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And I just wanted to ask: why did Cammaleri want out of LA? Saw that mentioned in the novella dedicated to Doughty on the main board and I can't remember. Hardball negotiating, or something? Just asking out of curiosity.

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Is it smart?
How would you feel if Kings had that with Doughty?
Is their owner sane? How many free agents have they signed? How good have they been lately? All answers are of the negative kind, and they stem from my first question back to everyone, hence this is not smart strategy.

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Its the take no prisoners approach he used running the old Computer Associates. Dumping their products as soon as possible was my company's strategy.

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