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10-02-2005, 12:03 PM
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Compensation picks for next year?

Here are our picks for next year:

2006 NHL Entry Draft: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 6th, 7th 1

we lost the 4th rd to WSH for the lang deal


Now question is

We signed Samuelsson as a UFA
Osgood as a UFA

We lost
Ray Whitney
Darren McCarty
Derian Hatcher
Mathieu Dandenault

How does the compensation work, are we expecting 3-4 more picks or just 2... like we lost 4, signed 2, so its like a problem.. 4-2=2?

just wondering, because if whitney, mac or hatcher have a good year, we might be able to get a good pick back in comp.

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10-02-2005, 12:18 PM
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I was under the assumption that they got rid of compensation picks in the new CBA. I remember reading that during draft time.

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go ****en figure


didn't get the memo eh?


It's ok, maybe this means the wings wont trade away so many picks.

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didn't get the memo eh?


It's ok, maybe this means the wings wont trade away so many picks.
its typical the 1 year we loose a lot of quality guys through free agency its the year after it doesnt matter in terms of picks...

****tay...

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its typical the 1 year we loose a lot of quality guys through free agency its the year after it doesnt matter in terms of picks...

****tay...
Well we bought 3 of the 4 out so I doubt there would have been any compensation anyways.

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Even if there still is compensation picks I donít think we would get any for Ray Whitney, Darren McCarty, Derian Hatcher since we bought them out.

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There are no comp picks. My Isles lost Scatchard, Aucoin, and Hamrlik and will get zippo in compensation.

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Here are our picks for next year:

2006 NHL Entry Draft: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 6th, 7th 1

we lost the 4th rd to WSH for the lang deal


Now question is

We signed Samuelsson as a UFA
Osgood as a UFA

We lost
Ray Whitney
Darren McCarty
Derian Hatcher
Mathieu Dandenault

How does the compensation work, are we expecting 3-4 more picks or just 2... like we lost 4, signed 2, so its like a problem.. 4-2=2?

just wondering, because if whitney, mac or hatcher have a good year, we might be able to get a good pick back in comp.
Even if the comp picks were still around

the redwings bought out some of the players on that list--so I doubt that the wings would have gotten picks any way

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Is this a trick question? Unrestricted free agents didn't cost the signing club anything (except salary) under the old system either.

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Is this a trick question? Unrestricted free agents didn't cost the signing club anything (except salary) under the old system either.
The league would give compensatory picks to teams that lost UFAs. They wouldn't come from any team, they'd just be additional picks thrown into rounds 3-7. Round 7 usually had 40+ picks as a result.

This is now moot because they've eliminated the UFA compensatory pick system. Now you get nothing if you lose a player.

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Is this a trick question? Unrestricted free agents didn't cost the signing club anything (except salary) under the old system either.
The NHL awarded compensation picks to teams that lost free agents. This is why in certain rounds, there will be more than 30 picks (the 2003 2nd round had 38 selections).

For example, the Rangers signed Bobby Holik from the Devils in July 2002. The Devils were awarded a compensatory 2nd round draft choice (42nd overall-Petr Vrana) based on the amount of money that Holik signed for. Ie, the Rangers didn't surrender their 2nd rounder to the Devils.

There was some magic formula to figure out compensatory picks. You didn't receive a pick if you signed an "equal" replacement. Ie, the Devils lost Joe Nieuwendyk to the Leafs but signed Igor Larionov from the Wings. They were considered similar players, so the Devils did not receive a compensatory pick for losing Nieuwendyk.

Probably one reason the NHL got rid of it in this CBA was that Dean Lombardi exposed a loophole several years ago. The Sharks traded a late round pick to the Rangers for impending unrestricted free agent Theo Fleury. The Rangers were going to be active on the free agent market, so they knew that if Fleury signed elsewhere, they wouldn't get a pick for losing him. So they gladly took a pick from San Jose. The Sharks ended up receiving a 2nd round pick when Fleury signed with the Blackhawks.

Soon after, a bunch of other clubs made similar trades to basically manufacture extra draft picks.

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