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09-16-2011, 09:53 AM
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What's funny is how many fans told us this was a great move acquiring Scott Gomez, it was the upgrade at center we needed. LOL.

Now, even those who supported BG's blackout during that horrible off season are finally realizing that it was a mistake, like it really took 2 years to figure it out. Most won't say that, just so they can hold on to the idea that they were right from the beginning, but the majority favor getting rid of him, so that should say something.

He doesn't deserve to wear number 11 either. Makes me want to puke. lol

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09-16-2011, 10:08 AM
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What's funny is how many fans told us this was a great move acquiring Scott Gomez, it was the upgrade at center we needed. LOL.
Not an "upgrade" in the sense that management wanted to depart from Koivu, but aside from that, there was not a lot of options available.
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Now, even those who supported BG's blackout during that horrible off season are finally realizing that it was a mistake, like it really took 2 years to figure it out. Most won't say that, just so they can hold on to the idea that they were right from the beginning, but the majority favor getting rid of him, so that should say something.
Well, it was a "mistake" in the sense that nobody expected Plekanec to become a legit top center. Had he plateaued as a third line center, the situation would be different.

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Not an "upgrade" in the sense that management wanted to depart from Koivu, but aside from that, there was not a lot of options available.

Well, it was a "mistake" in the sense that nobody expected Plekanec to become a legit top center. Had he plateaued as a third line center, the situation would be different.
The decision was a mistake regardless of Plekanecs situation. We had a better player for half the price and didn't need to sacrifice assets to keep him. It was a huge blunder. The worst since the lockout.

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09-16-2011, 10:25 AM
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The decision was a mistake regardless of Plekanecs situation. We had a better player for half the price and didn't need to sacrifice assets to keep him. It was a huge blunder. The worst since the lockout.
As I said... this assume management was considering keeping Koivu. Which, considering the circumstances, did not seem to the case (ex: they never even offered him a contract).

People have a very poor memory around here, but Koivu leadership had be questioned for years. There were many stories that he had the bad habit to "sulk in" and not being terribly inclusive inside the dressing room. The flame wars regarding Koivu status as the captain were legendary and numerous, in this very forum. So its not like that decision came from nowhere - many people (on this very board) were saying for years that we should be getting rid of him.

And if the Gomez trade was the "worst decision since the lockout", well, I'm honestly happy it's only that. Could have been much worst. For example, we could have traded Price.

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If Gomez bounces back with 75pts he will stop a lot of the criticism.

Anything below still merits harsh words.

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09-16-2011, 11:24 AM
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Who cares if he bounces back that won't change anything. Instead of people complaining about his play and salary they'll still complain about his salary even if he gets back to form.

He won't hear the end of it until he's gone so he may as well just do his **** regardless of what people say.

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09-16-2011, 11:37 AM
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This "horrible offseason" brought us our captain, as well as probably our best goalscoring winger in years. So yeah...

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Who cares if he bounces back that won't change anything. Instead of people complaining about his play and salary they'll still complain about his salary even if he gets back to form.

He won't hear the end of it until he's gone so he may as well just do his **** regardless of what people say.
Man, people complaining about people complaining about Gomez's salary are just as annoying.

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09-16-2011, 11:52 AM
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If Gomez bounces back with 75pts he will stop a lot of the criticism.

Anything below still merits harsh words.

Gomez has scored 75 points once in his career.

I would be happy with 60

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09-16-2011, 11:57 AM
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Who cares if he bounces back that won't change anything. Instead of people complaining about his play and salary they'll still complain about his salary even if he gets back to form.

He won't hear the end of it until he's gone so he may as well just do his **** regardless of what people say.
That's because people have different opinions on what back to form is. Being satisfied with x production doesn't mean he's back to form. He's hit 70 points or more 4 times in his career, is that back to form? He's hit 33 goals once, is that back to form? Is 40 points back to form? I suppose no matter what it is, 7.3 mil for a 2nd line center(if we're lucky) is expensive, but we're stuck with it for now.

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Lol @ being satisfied with a 60 pt season.

Good grief...
exactly

Q: how many second line centers can pot 60+ points?
A: all of them

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Man, people complaining about people complaining about Gomez's salary are just as annoying.
How annoyed do you get when a friend/wife/gf keeps repeating the same damn thing every 2 minutes? ''It's cold''..''ahh It's cold'' ''It's really cold'' and on, and on, and on.

Same thing here.

Gomez is overpaid, he will never live up to his salary. You shouldn't care about that anyways considering you're not paying him. The only argument people had was that he prevented us from improving our team due to his cap hit. That is clearly no longer the case. So really, it doesn't matter how much overpaid he is. Yes, he doesn't deserve it, but it doesn't affect our team in any way, so no need to really talk about it.

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09-16-2011, 01:15 PM
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As I said... this assume management was considering keeping Koivu. Which, considering the circumstances, did not seem to the case (ex: they never even offered him a contract).

People have a very poor memory around here, but Koivu leadership had be questioned for years. There were many stories that he had the bad habit to "sulk in" and not being terribly inclusive inside the dressing room. The flame wars regarding Koivu status as the captain were legendary and numerous, in this very forum. So its not like that decision came from nowhere - many people (on this very board) were saying for years that we should be getting rid of him.

And if the Gomez trade was the "worst decision since the lockout", well, I'm honestly happy it's only that. Could have been much worst. For example, we could have traded Price.
Koivu had leadership problems for years, rofl. This place is funny at times.

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How annoyed do you get when a friend/wife/gf keeps repeating the same damn thing every 2 minutes? ''It's cold''..''ahh It's cold'' ''It's really cold'' and on, and on, and on.

Same thing here.

Gomez is overpaid, he will never live up to his salary. You shouldn't care about that anyways considering you're not paying him. The only argument people had was that he prevented us from improving our team due to his cap hit. That is clearly no longer the case. So really, it doesn't matter how much overpaid he is. Yes, he doesn't deserve it, but it doesn't affect our team in any way, so no need to really talk about it.
Oh boy.

He's still an impossible to trade commodity which makes the 2nd line centre position not upgradeable, he still prevents the Habs from reaching into the stratospheric free agent market should a player become available, he's still an unreasonable salary benchmark for players on the team. So yeah in many ways he's a drag on improvement.

No need to harp on it however no need for you to tell everyone else what they can and can't care about and talk about.

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Man, people complaining about people complaining about Gomez's salary are just as annoying.
I guess that's why you complain about the people that complain about Andrei right?

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well, gomez certainly knows how to talk the talk. Nobody ever said he couldnt do that.

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If Gomez bounces back with 75pts he will stop a lot of the criticism.

Anything below still merits harsh words.
Do you have your "harsh words) written down on cue cards? You may need them.

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Dave Stubbs: Montreal Canadiens' Scott Gomez looking to bounce back this season
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Not an "upgrade" in the sense that management wanted to depart from Koivu, but aside from that, there was not a lot of options available.
There were tons of options... We just decided to go for a quick fix so we could fight for 8th place.
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How annoyed do you get when a friend/wife/gf keeps repeating the same damn thing every 2 minutes? ''It's cold''..''ahh It's cold'' ''It's really cold'' and on, and on, and on.
About as annoyed as I get when I hear the same tired excuses and pathetic arguments from the apologists here. It was a bad move and inexcusable. People have a right to be pissed off.
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Same thing here.

Gomez is overpaid, he will never live up to his salary. You shouldn't care about that anyways considering you're not paying him. The only argument people had was that he prevented us from improving our team due to his cap hit. That is clearly no longer the case. So really, it doesn't matter how much overpaid he is. Yes, he doesn't deserve it, but it doesn't affect our team in any way, so no need to really talk about it.
That is not the only reason that this move sucked... There are tons of reasons why this was a stupid move. Trying to pretend that they don't exist does not change the reality of the situation.

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so, 7.3 million dollar player, coming off a disaster of a season, is hoping to improve next year

this is incredibly powerful news. I actually had started to question Gomez.... but now, ....

NOW I actually see why so many posters defend him so passionately... this guy knows what it takes to win!!!

I'll take a team full of Gomez's !!!!

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Even when the guy says he wants to deliver, he gets shat on.

It's getting to be tiresome, at this point, guys. How about you ****ing wait and see what happens this year ON THE ICE before lacing him? Just saying.

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so, 7.3 million dollar player, coming off a disaster of a season, is hoping to improve next year

this is incredibly powerful news. I actually had started to question Gomez.... but now, ....

NOW I actually see why so many posters defend him so passionately... this guy knows what it takes to win!!!

I'll take a team full of Gomez's !!!!
Because he can totally do something MORE between the end of the last game and the start of the first, right?

RIGHT?!

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How annoyed do you get when a friend/wife/gf keeps repeating the same damn thing every 2 minutes? ''It's cold''..''ahh It's cold'' ''It's really cold'' and on, and on, and on.

Same thing here.

Gomez is overpaid, he will never live up to his salary. You shouldn't care about that anyways considering you're not paying him. The only argument people had was that he prevented us from improving our team due to his cap hit. That is clearly no longer the case. So really, it doesn't matter how much overpaid he is. Yes, he doesn't deserve it, but it doesn't affect our team in any way, so no need to really talk about it.
Actually, do you think Gomez's salary is brought up that much nowadays in this forum? I start see more people saying we shouldn't talk about his salary than people complaining about his salary.

Gomez is like a Saint in this forum. You cannot talk about his salary, you can't say he had a bad season because apparently, he's was just unlucky, his linemates weren't good enough, you can't talk about his production because he brings more to the team than just numbers, you can't talk about his goal total because he's a playmaker not a scorer.

Anyway, like he said, last year is last year, I don't want to talk about it anymore but I will maintain that he was horrible last season. I don't like the guy but I think he can bounce back to the 60 pts mark.

Pride+hard training+better wingers+better transition game(with Markov), he just can't do bad.

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Even when the guy says he wants to deliver, he gets shat on.

It's getting to be tiresome, at this point, guys. How about you ****ing wait and see what happens this year ON THE ICE before lacing him? Just saying.
It's ok, because if he sucks all year, at least we know he really steps up for the playoffs

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So Gomez is not looking for a repeat of last season? Very interesting...

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