Schneider might be a little behind but he hasn't really had anywhere to go. With Luongo at the helm he was never going to be the starter and he needed the games at the pro level to develop.
Yeah, but he never even looked NHL caliber until this past season. I doubt Schneider would have taken the reigns as a solid starter before that even if he was given some time to work his game out.
Turris and a 1st? That's an absolute steal. I am a fan of Cory but having a chance at a SC parade and a Top pick draft party is how the kids say...EPIC
Yeah, but he never even looked NHL caliber until this past season. I doubt Schneider would have taken the reigns as a solid starter before that even if he was given some time to work his game out.
I disagree. While I don't think he'd be in the upper echelon of goalies, I think he's been NHL ready for a couple years now. This has been a safer path to the NHL for Schneider but I have no doubt he could have been playing much sooner.
I disagree. While I don't think he'd be in the upper echelon of goalies, I think he's been NHL ready for a couple years now. This has been a safer path to the NHL for Schneider but I have no doubt he could have been playing much sooner.
He was outplayed by Andrew Raycroft just 2 years ago...last year was the first time he actually played well enough to make the team out of training camp.
He was outplayed by Andrew Raycroft just 2 years ago...last year was the first time he actually played well enough to make the team out of training camp.
Not really. Raycroft was a much cheaper option cap wise and a better solution as a backup. Schneider also needed more games than he would be getting backing up Luongo. Schneider didn't have a great camp but its not like Raycroft straight out beat him for the spot, there were lots of other factors involved.
If Gillis were smart, he'd go after the pheonix first. Besides, they need Schneider much more than Columbus does.
I'll come right out and say it. The Pheonix first gives us a chance at Yakupov. I don't care who you are, if you have even the slightest chance to get someone that talented, you pull the trigger.
Consider my interest on this rumour significantly piqued. Even if its not Nail, its a chance at Girgorenko, Murray, Ebert, Reinhart, or Dumba. That's simply my ideal return for Schneider.
Lack has not played one game in the NHL as of yet. I don't see how you could possibly say this with any confidence.
It's a combination of how little faith I have in Legace and how quickly Lack stepped into the AHL and looked fantastic. By the end of pre-season I'll be shocked if it's not abundantly clear to everyone how much superior the younger, bigger netminder is. IMO Lack is a stud in the making and I'll be surprised if Legace starts another regular season game in the NHL.
I'm probably gonna get flamed for this, but lets present a hypothetical situation.
Trade deadline rolls around and Pheonix is 27th in the league. Trading Schneider straight up for a 1st really doesn't seem like a bad idea imo.
Win now people say. Well, my rebuttal is we are still good enough to win now. I don't know that renting Doan for 1 year will put us over the top. Surely it will help out tremendously, but at some point we as an organization will have to address our incredibly thin prospect pool.
Manage the Detroit way. Always good enough to win but never going all in at the expense of the future. I really think a top 5 pick in this upcoming draft (and an outside shot at Yakupov) would be worth Schneider straight up. Seems like a great year to go for that high pick.
So if we rent Doan and don't win, he just resigns with Pheonix and we lost Schneider for nothing. Trading him for a high first in next years draft really addresses some glaring organizational needs.
Thoughts?
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I'm probably gonna get flamed for this, but lets present a hypothetical situation.
Trade deadline rolls around and Pheonix is 27th in the league. Trading Schneider straight up for a 1st really doesn't seem like a bad idea imo.
Win now people say. Well, my rebuttal is we are still good enough to win now. I don't know that renting Doan for 1 year will put us over the top. Surely it will help out tremendously, but at some point we as an organization will have to address our incredibly thin prospect pool.
Manage the Detroit way. Always good enough to win but never going all in at the expense of the future. I really think a top 5 pick in this upcoming draft (and an outside shot at Yakupov) would be worth Schneider straight up. Seems like a great year to go for that high pick.
Thoughts?
Phoenix would never trade their first if they were in that position.
I think if this deal is gonna happen now, it'll be for Turris + a Phoenix first. If Gillis wants to hold onto Schneider because Legace sucks and to develop Lack, then at the deadline go Schneider + a pick for Doan and Labarbera with a conditional 2nd.
Phoenix would never trade their first if they were in that position.
I think if this deal is gonna happen now, it'll be for Turris + a Phoenix first. If Gillis wants to hold onto Schneider because Legace sucks and to develop Lack, then at the deadline go Schneider + a pick for Doan and Labarbera with a conditional 2nd.
Exactly. You do the trade now if you do it. Any team hovering in the bottom 5-10 at the deadline is NOT moving their first round pick except for major overpayment.
Just as an example, you can look at the Devils last year. A team that consistently made the playoffs so their 1st round pick wasn't worth nearly as much prior to the start of the season (never mind the fact they have to forfeit one in the next few years). If you were able to get that pick cheap that would be amazing. Blue Jackets are looking like they could be on the up (Mason seems to be rebounding slowly and they added Carter) while Phoenix are potentially heading down (with the loss of Bryz). If you were to gamble now, you'd want Phoenix's first round pick.
Phoenix would never trade their first if they were in that position.
Maybe not for Schneider straight up, but we could use him to move up. Schneider and swap firsts? Still too unrealistic?
The thought of a top 5 pick next year is making me stupid giddy.
What about Schneider straight up for their 1st before Preseason? I'd rather do that then get Doan and not win the cup, and watch him walk away in 2012 and have lost Schneider for nothing.
We have some options anyways; Legace is here on a PTO, Lack has looked good at the AHL level, and St. Laurent might be worth a look as an AHL back-up or something based on his play so far. There are still a few vets out there that would probably take near entry-level deals to play here....Turco and Emery.
Hey, never thought about Turco. Hell, with his passing abilities we wouldn't miss Ehrhoff one bit.
... and on a road trip he can get back at Luongo for the shaving cream in the face.
I stand to be corrected but didn't Gillis say that the Canucks were offered Colorado's 2012 1st rounder for Schneider before they made the same deal with Washington? I'm more than a little disappointed that we didn't get that pick with the chance to get Yakupov.
If Phoenix is offering their 1st, I'm all over that. Langkow is their #1 centre!!! They're awful.
I'd rather not pick give up Schneider for a 35 year old player...The canucks should be building both for the future and today.
Your right that it would be preferable to get back younger players. However, Doan could very well be that missing piece that puts the Canucks over the top. Sedins and Burrows aren't getting any younger, so the window is closing for the Canucks in a couple of years.
How do people think that Phoenix 1st is going to land us Yakupov if we give them Schneider?
Phoenix was a playoff team last season. The only Cs they lost were Belanger and Fiddler, and they brought in Langkow(and Chipchura), who is a more offensive player then Belanger at least.
Out:
Jovo
Fiddler
Belanger
Stempniak
In:
Langkow
Torres
Klesla ( a full year of him)
Chipchura
Gordon
Add in a #1 goaltender, and with a year of development for Boedker, Yandle, OEL, Tikhnov and the other young players and Phoenix is far from last in the league. Tippett won't let that happen.
I stand to be corrected but didn't Gillis say that the Canucks were offered Colorado's 2012 1st rounder for Schneider before they made the same deal with Washington? I'm more than a little disappointed that we didn't get that pick with the chance to get Yakupov.
If Phoenix is offering their 1st, I'm all over that. Langkow is their #1 centre!!! They're awful.
I don't think Gillis was gonna trade Schneider to a team in the divsion. You have to think about what you just said. If you put Schneider on the Avs, I don't think the draft pick would end up that high. With Schneider, Eric Johnson, and a very good offence, Avs could be a playoff team. Hence the pic would be a 15 to 20.
