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09-20-2011, 11:06 AM
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AK 46 will not play on the top 6 without injury
I see the lines as most others except for 1 small change
Cammy - Pleks - cole
gio - gomer - maxpac
moen - eller - ak46
I know DD may not belong on the 4th line, but if you are to follow the recipe of the top 2 lines, Moen is a better fit. as a side note: does no one else remember how good that line was last year in the playoffs?
Personally I expect JM to juggle his bottom six quite a bit. Even if Eller and AK show some of the chemistry they displayed late last season (and I'm hoping they do), we could see Darche, Moen and Desharnais all get shots at playing with them. IMO Darche might just be the bet fit, but Moen makes a lot of sense too.

What I'd really like to see is DD get some decent PP time to fill out his minutes. He has so much potential to thrive 5 on 4. I know I'm like a broken record on this theme, but it seems to me the right way to get DD decent minutes even if he's often playing on the 4th line. Then again he was finding real success as a top six winger with Gio and Gomez (the only person who really found success in that slot other than Max Pac last year, and a LOT of other guys got shots there) so who the heck knows how JM will use him. On the one hand he's always going to be too small, on the other hand the guy is incredibly versatile.

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09-20-2011, 11:32 AM
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him and Pacioretty will battle for the final spot on the top6 all year.

I think Pacs have good chances to struggle this year. Last year he dominated the AHL came with the big club with a lot of confidence and he did really well.

This year he come back from a big injury . start the year in MTL I sure can see him struggle and play on the 3rd line if Kostitsyn outplay him.


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09-20-2011, 11:52 AM
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He likely won't start there, but he will receive plenty of opportunity in the top 6, with or without injury. I expect cole/patches to move in and out of the top 6 from time to time when things aren't going especially good and AK will get the honours. These lines won't remain stagnate throughout the year. I can guarantee that.

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09-20-2011, 11:56 AM
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I think people are being rather foolish in saying he won't be in the top 6.

A season is 82 games and Martin spoke himself of a top 9 as opposed to a top 6. That pretty much means all the 9 players can be switched around. If Cole is slow to get started and doesn't seem to click much with Plek/Cammy, then I can see Martin try to bring back AK to that duo.
Anything can happen, to think a 20G-45pt scorer can't end up on the top 6 unless it's due to injuries is rather foolish imo.
Agreed krissE, the idea is to have many interchangeable parts. I don't believe AK will start the opener in the top 6, but he'll get numerous opportunities there with or without injuries. To think otherwise is pretty absurd and shows the true bias some of our own fans have towards this player. Comments like, if he plays in the top 6 I'll eat my shirt ect are pretty uninformed and uncalled for.

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09-20-2011, 12:02 PM
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him and Pacioretty will battle for the final spot on the top6 all year.

I think Pacs have good chances to struggle this year. Last year he dominated the AHL came with the big club with a lot of confidence and he did really well.

This year he come back from a big injury . start the year in MTL I sure can see him struggle and play on the 3rd line if Kostitsyn outplay him.
Pacioretty on the third line? Hah! If Kostitsyn is toggled from line to line with another forward it would probably be with Cole. It's not axiomatic that Cole will star in an offensive role in Montréal.

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09-20-2011, 12:27 PM
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I think an interesting line combo when 100% healthy would be:

Cammalleri - Plekanec - Kostistyn
Cole - Gomez - Gionta
Pacioretty - Eller - Desharnais
Darche - White - Moen
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Markov - Gorges
Gill - Subban
Spacek - Yemelin
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09-20-2011, 12:32 PM
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Pacioretty on the third line? Hah! If Kostitsyn is toggled from line to line with another forward it would probably be with Cole. It's not axiomatic that Cole will star in an offensive role in Montréal.
This is a very good point. Cole's style of play fits so well with JM's system, which rewards skating above all and the team has such good personnel to unlock him (especially Markov, but having speed to keep up with Pleks when he takes off is also not that common in the league. AK doesn't really have it IMO. Gio does.) that I've been assuming he'll find reasonable success on one of the top two lines but there's no guarantee at all that he will actually click in that role. From the way he looked coming into camp, AK certainly looks like he's here to compete for ice time.

Wherever they play, Cole and Pax are a major upgrade over the wingers who've been used in top six slots in the past few years. D'Agositini, Pouliot, Moen, Darche, etc. AK having to compete hard for a top six slot is a sign of significant depth at wing. At least for the moment.

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09-20-2011, 01:32 PM
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I think an interesting line combo when 100% healthy would be:

Cammalleri - Plekanec - Kostistyn
Cole - Gomez - Gionta
Pacioretty - Eller - Desharnais
Darche - White - Moen
I think this is the ideal complimentary line up to

Cammy Pleks Cole
Pacioretty GomezGionta
AK Eller DD

It would be good to see your lineup 40% of the time and the more popular one 60% of the time.

I'm a little worried about Patchesconfidencelevel as well as another above mentioned. Far too many people assume that Patches is a lock to reproduce his production rate from a smal sample last year. He might benefit as well from 3rd line weaker opposition playing with Eller and DD.

I'm worried that Gomez's potential to suck might negatively affect Patches or if Gio has a cold streak as well.

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Cole did not sign in Montreal to go from playing with Staal to Desharnais and Eller. Also I think both and Cammalleri PLekanec are pushing hard for Cole.

So to answer your question, Yes you are the only one who thinks AK will start in the top 6 (injury aside)
This is funny. 50 replies later where some people agreed that AK will get top 6 time, how he can he be the only one who thinks that?

Secondly, I think your comment about Cole wasn't signed to play with Eller is short sighted. I think as Eller develops, Cole would be ideal on his wing.


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09-20-2011, 02:42 PM
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Pacioretty on the third line? Hah! If Kostitsyn is toggled from line to line with another forward it would probably be with Cole. It's not axiomatic that Cole will star in an offensive role in Montréal.
Pacio is overated by some fans right now. Martin won't hesitate to put him on the 3rd or even 4th line if he struggle . He's still a young player and after 2 years of Martin we know how he work. Veteran have there place lock but young players have short leash .

They pay Cole to be a top6 forward so he will be one all year.

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09-20-2011, 02:50 PM
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I think this is the ideal complimentary line up to

Cammy Pleks Cole
Pacioretty GomezGionta
AK Eller DD

It would be good to see your lineup 40% of the time and the more popular one 60% of the time.

I'm a little worried about Patchesconfidencelevel as well as another above mentioned. Far too many people assume that Patches is a lock to reproduce his production rate from a smal sample last year. He might benefit as well from 3rd line weaker opposition playing with Eller and DD.

I'm worried that Gomez's potential to suck might negatively affect Patches or if Gio has a cold streak as well.



This is funny. 50 replies later where some people agreed that AK will get top 6 time, how he can he be the only one who thinks that?

Secondly, I think your comment about Cole wasn't signed to play with Eller is short sighted. I think as Eller develops, Cole would be ideal on his wing.
I have to disagree here. I see Cole as a guy who thrives for the fast break, either as the recepient of a breakout pass or as a threat on the puck carrier's wing. To me he's best suited with guys who are exceptionally quick and who excell at hitting him in stride. Eller, on the other hand, is more of a puck possession player who has shown decent but not elite puck distribution skills. I see him thriving with big guys who thrive on the boards and love to battle and create chaos like he does. I guess Cole has the size to be an effective muckraker with Eller, but I see him as a more natural fit with Pleks or Gomez or even DD. Just my two cents.

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09-20-2011, 02:53 PM
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Pacioretty on the third line? Hah! If Kostitsyn is toggled from line to line with another forward it would probably be with Cole. It's not axiomatic that Cole will star in an offensive role in Montréal.
Cole's production isn't going to be exactly the only important contribution to his line. His style of play really can make Cammalleri's, Plekanec's, Gomez's and Gionta's lives easier though. Same for Pacioretty.

As for Kostitsyn, while he can make their lives easier sometimes, he's not doing it night it and night out. In Cole, you know you have a guy who's going in the corners, chases the puck, and gets in front of the net night in and night out. Same with (hopefully) Pacioretty.

Kostitsyn will start on the 3rd line, where another player (Eller) will do the dirty work with ease from time to time. These two will help each other. Gionta/Gomez/Plekanec/Cammalleri need a Cole or a Pacioretty much more than they need a Kostitsyn.

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09-20-2011, 05:04 PM
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Kostitsyn will NOT play in the top 6 (unless a top 6 winger gets injured).

Our Habs have a lot of depth this year with wingers and centers
4 centers that can play top 9: Pleks, Gomez, Eller, Desharnais.
6 wingers that can play top 6: Cammalleri, Cole, Pacioretty, Gionta, Desharnais, A.Kosts.

We (imo) need one more top 4 dman ''minute-cruncher'' and our D-depth is VERY solid (unless at least 2 or 3 out of Yemelin, Weber, Spacek, and maybe Diaz...can be solid minute crunchers to help Subban/Gorges/Gill). IMO, A.Kosts will be used as trade bait to get this top 4 dman (minute-cruncher) this season (unless we get many injuries to our wingers).


Desharnais and A.Kostitsyn: there as backup to top 6 wingers (injury or a winger that is not playing so well). Desharnais can also be backup to any top 6 or top 9 center that gets injured. Great depth.


Kostitsyn has lots of chemistry with Eller...together they can provide the team with a 3rd line that can provide 2nd line offence. I'd be surprised to see anything else but the lineup below (unless there are injuries):


Cammalleri - Pleks - Cole
Pacioretty - Gomez - Gionta
DD/Moen - Eller - A.Kosts (DD at center if Eller can't start season)
Moen/Darche - White/DD - White/Darche
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Kostitsyn will NOT play in the top 6 (unless a top 6 winger gets injured).
I'm curious, what makes you think JM will all of a sudden, not juggle his lines and not give AK time on the top two lines?

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I'm curious, what makes you think JM will all of a sudden, not juggle his lines and not give AK time on the top two lines?
Probably because Kostitsyn basically was a third line filler for a large part of last season prior to injuries. With Cole and a healthy Pacioretty, he is simply the odd man out. If he ignites then Martin may double shift him but why rock the chemistry? The only way Kostitsyn sees any consistent time in the top six is if Pacioretty or Cole fall apart or there is an injury. I hope to god there is not a whole lot of line juggling. That has never worked for us.

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if he plays like this all year long he will.

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Keep him on the 3rd and so he can face weaker opposition. He will be a beast. Give him PP time here and there to keep him happy.

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if he plays like this all year long he will.
He won't.


But realistically speaking, he will get a tonne of top 6 time. Cammy, Gio, Patches & Cole have traditionally missed 10 games a year each on average. I'm totally making up my number but my point is, we will have injuries this year.

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He won't.


But realistically speaking, he will get a tonne of top 6 time. Cammy, Gio, Patches & Cole have traditionally missed 10 games a year each on average. I'm totally making up my number but my point is, we will have injuries this year.
He will get top 6 time even if none of our forwards miss a minute.

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Kostitsyn will be on the 3rd line, and it's great news. Having his own line will work wonders on this guy.

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What he did tonight with Palushaj and Willsie is miraculous.

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He will get top 6 time even if none of our forwards miss a minute.
I agree, I expect him to be in the top 6 of minutes played for the year for forwards.

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What he did tonight with Palushaj and Willsie is miraculous.
Exactly,

He managed to kick ass with two guys who have no business in the NHL

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Kostitsyn will be on the 3rd line, and it's great news. Having his own line will work wonders on this guy.
I was just thinking something similar. Having him being the leader on a line that still has skill could allow him to take charge a bit more.

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Kostitsyn will be on the 3rd line, and it's great news. Having his own line will work wonders on this guy.
Agreed.

Plus, I expect Eller to break out this season and complete that line with a guy like DD who is a good playmaker, that can also score, we might have one of the best 3rd line in the league.

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Personally I could see Pacioretty slid on the third line to start the season, he is still pretty young, has been seriously injured and its probably better for him to start on the third line to take off some pressure on his shoulders..

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