I'm really pissed that the BCHL provides such ****** coverage of these exhibition games. Hell, they don't even have a roster for any of the teams. Well, they have like six guys listed. No Fogarty though, and even if he was, still no stats.
EDIT: And of course as I say that, they finally put up his player page. I literally looked 3 hours ago.
I'm really pissed that the BCHL provides such ****** coverage of these exhibition games. Hell, they don't even have a roster for any of the teams. Well, they have like six guys listed. No Fogarty though, and even if he was, still no stats.
EDIT: And of course as I say that, they finally put up his player page. I literally looked 3 hours ago.
So, at what level is the BCHL relative to the rest of juniors? Should we be worried if he's not getting 2ppg? 1.5ppg?
Also, what's the deal with Americans going there rather than the CHL? Do they not get paid and therefore preserve their eligibility?
BCHL is considered Junior A hockey. The leagues of the CHL--being the WHL, OHL and QMJHL--are known as Major Junior.
Travis Zajac did two years in the BCHL. His second year, which at 18-19 years will be in line with this year for Fogarty, he had 119 points in 59 games. 1.5 points per game or more is what we want to see from Fogarty, IMO.
Junior A is not considered professional by the NCAA, so players can maintain their eligibility if they play there. Fogarty will play at Notre Dame for the 12-13 season, so the CHL wasn't an option--as the NCAA considers that a professional league.
The BCHL is a very good league. In some respects it's a college feeder league--especially to the CCHA and the WCHA. For a player who intends to take that route it's an excellent option. It also feeds the WHL. Some players who are on the fence between College or Junior hockey also use it as an option.
Only a minor thing, but I think you mixed up day and month in Fasth' birthday, if I'm reading it right. You probably got confused with the Eurpean date format (day.month.year vs. month/day/year in the US). With this birthday he would've been an overager when drafted.
Why can't you play in the NCAA if you sign an ELC? And what do you mean by "years slide"?
Once you sign a professional contract, in this case an ELC, the NCAA no longer considers you an amateur, and you become ineligible to play under their rules.
If you sign an ELC and play in a junior league (WHL, OHL, QMJHL,...), your ELC will slide from year to year if you play less than 10 games with your NHL club. This means, for someone like Thomas or McIlrath who has already signed their ELC, that they can go back to juniors if needed and it won't burn a year off their ELC. Thomas and McIlrath can play up to 9 games with the Rangers this season without a year being counted on their ELC. They will still have 3 years on their ELC after this season, since it is very highly unlikely that they make the team out of camp or play more than 9 games in the NHL.
Only a minor thing, but I think you mixed up day and month in Fasth' birthday, if I'm reading it right. You probably got confused with the Eurpean date format (day.month.year vs. month/day/year in the US). With this birthday he would've been an overager when drafted.
Thanks. Fixed. Any others errors, please let me know.
Once you sign a professional contract, in this case an ELC, the NCAA no longer considers you an amateur, and you become ineligible to play under their rules.
If you sign an ELC and play in a junior league (WHL, OHL, QMJHL,...), your ELC will slide from year to year if you play less than 10 games with your NHL club. This means, for someone like Thomas or McIlrath who has already signed their ELC, that they can go back to juniors if needed and it won't burn a year off their ELC. Thomas and McIlrath can play up to 9 games with the Rangers this season without a year being counted on their ELC. They will still have 3 years on their ELC after this season, since it is very highly unlikely that they make the team out of camp or play more than 9 games in the NHL.
Thanks a lot.
Also, what does nyr2k2 mean when he says they can become a group III at age 25?
Also, what does nyr2k2 mean when he says they can become a group III at age 25?
Group III is unrestricted free agency. Players reach Group III status at age 27, or after playing in the NHL for 7 years. The player must play 10 or more games in the NHL for it to count as a year toward Group III status.
A player can also become Group III if they don't play a certain number of NHL games by a certain age. Off the top of my head, I can't remember the exact numbers.
All of this information is in the CBA. Just do a search for NHL CBA and you can pull up the PDF file.
Group III is unrestricted free agency. Players reach Group III status at age 27, or after playing in the NHL for 7 years. The player must play 10 or more games in the NHL for it to count as a year toward Group III status.
A player can also become Group III if they don't play a certain number of NHL games by a certain age. Off the top of my head, I can't remember the exact numbers.
All of this information is in the CBA. Just do a search for NHL CBA and you can pull up the PDF file.
Thanks. I have the PDF but never read it because it is long.
He was singed to an AHL contract they must feel he needs AT LEAST a year in the AHL before he is brought into the NHL camp. Sometimes its better to not let the player get too overwhelmed.
McNaught made some comments a month or two ago, about being grateful the Rangers are giving him the opportunity to start his pro career, that made it sound as if he had been given an AHL contract. That hasn't been officially reported anywhere though.
McNaught made some comments a month or two ago, about being grateful the Rangers are giving him the opportunity to start his pro career, that made it sound as if he had been given an AHL contract. That hasn't been officially reported anywhere though.
I remember seeing those comments but like you said haven't seen anything official. I have a hard time believing he was left off the camp roster because he would be overwhelmed. There are numerous junior players and a similar if not less talented version of McNaught in Jordan. Still wondering if he had any after effects from last year's surgery after TC.
I remember seeing those comments but like you said haven't seen anything official. I have a hard time believing he was left off the camp roster because he would be overwhelmed. There are numerous junior players and a similar if not less talented version of McNaught in Jordan. Still wondering if he had any after effects from last year's surgery after TC.
Given his showing at TC, I'd be somewhat surprised if he isn't given an AHL deal. Why he wasn't invited to the big camp though, I don't know. This would be a good question for someone to Tweet to one of the beat writers. Or we could just ask Leslie!
