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09-21-2011, 12:43 PM
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so the 50 contract aside how are we going to pay him? with Lappys LTIR money? and if he has bonuses in his contract that LTIR money wont be enough.

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09-21-2011, 01:06 PM
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Why the rush to sign the kid? He doesn't belong in the NHL just yet.

Whatever Homer, I've learned to just stop questioning the moves and go with it.
The earlier you sign him the better stance the organization has for getting the full amount of RFA years out of his contract.

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Looks like he got the rookie max for salary, no word on bonuses...

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It is believed Couturier's salary will be the rookie maximum, $925,000. #Flyers

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09-21-2011, 01:09 PM
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Looks like he got the rookie max for salary, no word on bonuses...
Probably no bonuses.

It's what all the players this year seem to be signing and for a good reason.

Most of the bonuses are theoretically unachievable, but organizations put them in there as incentives.

This year, if the young kids want to play in the NHL they're really going to have to forego those bonuses because the teams won't want it counting against the cap.

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09-21-2011, 01:41 PM
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The earlier you sign him the better stance the organization has for getting the full amount of RFA years out of his contract.
That's not true. It's the opposite.

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09-21-2011, 01:47 PM
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That's not true. It's the opposite.
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Beyond arbitration, all of this makes the timing of signing of draftees extremely important. This is much more Cam Hope’s area of expertise than it is mine, but I will try to explain by using an example. A team that signs a top pick in the year that he is 19 is in a much better position long run than if they sign him at age 20. For example, let’s say that Dylan McIlrath is destined to be a star in the NHL (I am not saying that he is or isn’t, but its a very useful example). McIlrath is born on April 20, 1992. If the Rangers waited to sign him until next Spring just before they had to or at any time after December 31, 2011, he will be age 20 at the time of the signing for the purposes of arbitration. Therefore, all the years of his professional play would count towards arbitration, even if that play it is not in the NHL. With a player like McIlrath, who the Rangers believe has a good chance of becoming a top NHLer but may take awhile to develop, it behooved them to sign him before the end of this calendar year. And so they signed him in March 2011. It is not important to do this with players who are not expected to be top players, as the team wants to watch and see if they develop as expected, but for players who could wind up being elite, especially if they are expected to spend some time in the AHL, signing the player before he is 20 is an imperative.
http://hfrangersblog.com/2011/06/18/...k-arbitration/

Signing big name CHL players before they turn 20 is a big deal.

Also, it only hurts his number of RFA years should he make the team.

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09-21-2011, 02:03 PM
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Signing big name CHL players before they turn 20 is a big deal.

Also, it only hurts his number of RFA years should he make the team.
You get seven years of "guaranteed" service. From 18 to 25, from 19 to 26 or from 20 to 27. Nothing complicated.

The 20 to 27 may be a bit better as the player is more mature, closer to his peak.

Signing him now changed nothing, it changes once he accrues the season (40 games on the roster)

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09-21-2011, 02:13 PM
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Contract details from Panaccio:

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Sources says Couturier's rookie max. deal also incl. performance bonus: $1.375 cap hit for all 3 years

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09-21-2011, 02:15 PM
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Contract details from Panaccio:
Good cap hit.

(Some people were saying around 2.0m or Schenn money.)

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09-21-2011, 02:16 PM
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You get seven years of "guaranteed" service. From 18 to 25, from 19 to 26 or from 20 to 27. Nothing complicated.

The 20 to 27 may be a bit better as the player is more mature, closer to his peak.

Signing him now changed nothing, it changes once he accrues the season (40 games on the roster)
The advantage to signing him now is that they would have the ability to slide his contract for two years if necessary. If they waited until after he turned 19 this winter they would only have the ability to slide the contract this year. I don't think that would be an issue for them, but that would be the advantage.

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09-21-2011, 02:31 PM
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Now to see if he makes the squad

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Btw hf has him at 8.5 c , same with schenn. Flyers rankings just came out.

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http://hfrangersblog.com/2011/06/18/...k-arbitration/

Signing big name CHL players before they turn 20 is a big deal.

Also, it only hurts his number of RFA years should he make the team.
Big difference Chris between Arbitration status, and Free Agent status. 2 completely different issues.

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You get seven years of "guaranteed" service. From 18 to 25, from 19 to 26 or from 20 to 27. Nothing complicated.

The 20 to 27 may be a bit better as the player is more mature, closer to his peak.

Signing him now changed nothing, it changes once he accrues the season (40 games on the roster)
Exactly. So if you sign a player at 18 and he makes the team, he can become a UFA early in his career before reaching his prime mature years. That's how Hartnell became a UFA at 25.

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09-21-2011, 02:45 PM
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Couturier Signs Entry-Level Deal; More Moves on Horizon?
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I'm okay with that cap hit. Given what he's shown so far, I hope he gets one more year in juniors and then he'll really compete for a spot next year.

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Btw hf has him at 8.5 c , same with schenn. Flyers rankings just came out.
Chris did a good job with the rankings and ratings.

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09-21-2011, 03:56 PM
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Not a bad cap hit, wish it was slightly lower. I have a feeling that Shelley is going somewhere with a draft pick.

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Not a bad cap hit, wish it was slightly lower. I have a feeling that Shelley is going somewhere for a 1st round draft pick.
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I don't see how the Flyers will have cap room to fit 7 d-men along with both Couturier and Schenn until later in the year (when some of Schenn's bonuses become unreachable).

If the Flyers send Couturier back to Juniors, are they allowed to recall him at any point during the year?

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What does this mean for Nylander?

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I don't see how the Flyers will have cap room to fit 7 d-men along with both Couturier and Schenn until later in the year (when some of Schenn's bonuses become unreachable).

If the Flyers send Couturier back to Juniors, are they allowed to recall him at any point during the year?
I don't believe so. And if they can, if he plays 10 games or more, he cannot be sent back to juniors.

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What does this mean for Nylander?
The chances of Nylander making the team drops significantly, because Couturier's went up since his cap hit is relatively low.

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The chances of Nylander making the team drops significantly, because Couturier's went up since his cap hit is relatively low.
Ok. It seems something was going on with Nylander. He wasn't in practice yesterday and he wasn't on the roster.

He's not on the roster for tonight either and it seems there is no information as to what is going on with him.

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I don't believe so. And if they can, if he plays 10 games or more, he cannot be sent back to juniors.
Thats false. He cannot play in the AHL, so if they flyers don't want him on the active roster anymore he goes straight to juniors.

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