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09-21-2011, 12:27 PM
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Not First time for Massive Changes in Philadelphia

While there is no doubting the 2011-12 version of the Flyers will be a new-look team, that doesn't necessarily mean their eventual destiny will all be negative. Just look to the summer of 1984 for a reference...

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Call me crazy, but i see the Flyers going deep into the playoffs this season.....Don't see all the Negatives some folks are concerned about with the off season moves.....nothing wrong with seeing this cup half full in my opinion.Solid Goalie tandem, good team speed, some added muscle in the corners, and a top 5 defensive core in the league...I am looking forward to watching this club work through the changes and play good hockey during the process.....its a long season.

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Call me crazy, but i see the Flyers going deep into the playoffs this season.....Don't see all the Negatives some folks are concerned about with the off season moves.....nothing wrong with seeing this cup half full in my opinion.Solid Goalie tandem, good team speed, some added muscle in the corners, and a top 5 defensive core in the league...I am looking forward to watching this club work through the changes and play good hockey during the process.....its a long season.
Yeah I agree with you. I mean, I'm not saying they are cup favorites by any means or that all the moves were necessary or anything like that. But We lost Richards, Carter, Leino (am I missing any important guys?). We got Simmonds, Schenn, Voracek, Jagr, Talbot, Bryzgalov. The offensive output lost likely will not be matched (unles Jagr really kills it). But its not like this team is going to go from scoring the 259 they scored last year to scoring 150. And lets not forget about the guy we have in net. Even if you are one of those who believe the Flyers should have (and 100% could have) signed Vokoun, you can't argue that Bryz is not a huge upgrade in net. After years of people clammoring for a goalie on this team, we finally have one and now everyone is saying the offense is too thin and this team is in trouble.

I am of the opinion that what this team lost in offense (and defense from Richards), the offense the team did get in return and the defense the team already has coupled with Bryz in net, makes this a wash. I don't think the team is any better or worse off this year than they were last year. That's not to say that I don't think they could have maybe made similar moves and kept a guy like Richards and been better off with that than they were last year or are currently, but I think as it stands, this team is fine.

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They moved from the kill them with our 20 goal scorers teams to solid back end & Goal, and hope the kids pot a few a game.

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How the hell did I miss the parade in 1985 after all these wonderful changes?

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How the hell did I miss the parade in 1985 after all these wonderful changes?
Well I guess the Edmonton dynasty blocked your vision....



1983 New York Islanders (PW) Al Arbour Edmonton Oilers (CC) Glen Sather 4–0

1984 Edmonton Oilers (CC) Glen Sather New York Islanders (PW) Al Arbour 4–1

1985 Edmonton Oilers (CC) Glen Sather Philadelphia Flyers (PW) Mike Keenan 4–1

1986 Montreal Canadiens (PW) Jean Perron Calgary Flames (CC) Bob Johnson 4–1

1987 Edmonton Oilers (CC) Glen Sather Philadelphia Flyers (PW) Mike Keenan 4–3

1988 Edmonton Oilers (CC) Glen Sather Boston Bruins (PW) Terry O'Reilly 4–0

1989 Calgary Flames (CC) Terry Crisp Montreal Canadiens (PW) Pat Burns 4–2 Doug Gilmour (11:02, third)

1990 Edmonton Oilers (CC) John Muckler Boston Bruins (PW) Mike Milbury 4–1

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How the hell did I miss the parade in 1985 after all these wonderful changes?
Heh.

I wouldn't mind seeing this group in the Cup Final in two of the next three seasons...

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Guess you missed the parades with Richards and Carter holding the cup too?

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1984 was a much superior book than 2011. Oh wait.

Back to hockey, 1984 was preceded by one PO win in the ten games played the prior three years. It wasn't a rejection of one season. The Flyers struggled with consistency on the blueline and in the nets for much of that time. McCammon was a much better GM/scout than coach. 1985 was in some ways comparable to 1995. The teams didn't win but the prior years (1982-84 and 1990-94) in each case seemed in the distant past.


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Guess you missed the parades with Richards and Carter holding the cup too?
Bingo !

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Well I guess the Edmonton dynasty blocked your vision....



1983 New York Islanders (PW) Al Arbour Edmonton Oilers (CC) Glen Sather 4–0

1984 Edmonton Oilers (CC) Glen Sather New York Islanders (PW) Al Arbour 4–1

1985 Edmonton Oilers (CC) Glen Sather Philadelphia Flyers (PW) Mike Keenan 4–1

1986 Montreal Canadiens (PW) Jean Perron Calgary Flames (CC) Bob Johnson 4–1

1987 Edmonton Oilers (CC) Glen Sather Philadelphia Flyers (PW) Mike Keenan 4–3

1988 Edmonton Oilers (CC) Glen Sather Boston Bruins (PW) Terry O'Reilly 4–0

1989 Calgary Flames (CC) Terry Crisp Montreal Canadiens (PW) Pat Burns 4–2 Doug Gilmour (11:02, third)

1990 Edmonton Oilers (CC) John Muckler Boston Bruins (PW) Mike Milbury 4–1
Odd little quirk in those years SCF combatants... The Oilers were in six while all the others each were in two... Edmonton beating both the Flyers and the Bruins two times within a three year periods.

While we talk about the 1985 Flyers team, the 1987 one actually came the closest to knocking off the Oilers 3-4 (after the Isles beat them in their first visit) when Hexy won the Conn Smyth but ran out of gas before he could win his fourth game of the series.

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Guess you missed the parades with Richards and Carter holding the cup too?
First cup finals game wins since 1987 probably should count for something.

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First cup finals game wins since 1987 probably should count for something.
And between them were SCF players like Lindros, LeClair, Recchi, Otto, Coffey, Desjardines, etc... So go figure.

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First cup finals game wins since 1987 probably should count for something.
Yet one of the two couldn't play a significant part in that run

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